tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post9175529880687832298..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Caleb Joseph Is The Favorite To Start Now, And That's More Than FineJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-84182617166736844862017-11-11T16:44:51.643-05:002017-11-11T16:44:51.643-05:00I do not think cFIP would add anything that other ...I do not think cFIP would add anything that other advanced metrics cover, but the rationale for cFIP is identical to cERA. There is no need to create anything incredibly new or come at it from a different way or even call it something different. FIP is from the perspective of a pitcher, stripping the defense behind him. It would simply change to being from the perspective of the guy catching.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-29141580067328309362017-11-11T15:41:19.944-05:002017-11-11T15:41:19.944-05:00Ok. I'm curious: how would you begin devising ...Ok. I'm curious: how would you begin devising an FIP for a catcher? After all, a catcher is one of the most important defensive positions on the diamond. <br /><br />The acronym would have to change, wouldn't it? And ERA for a catcher? What does he have to do with earned runs, other than passed balls or throwing errors?<br /><br />Don't the metrics (pitch framing, DRS, Inside Edge stats, and Advanced Fielding stats provided by FanGraphs) pretty much cover the defensive value of a catcher?vilnius b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02872502926590063013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-32925663138377918922017-11-11T07:20:32.705-05:002017-11-11T07:20:32.705-05:00What FIP means for a pitcher is not what it means ...What FIP means for a pitcher is not what it means for a catcher. Same thing is true for ERA. <br /><br />There is nothing logically wrong with devising a catcher FIP, but it probably is as problematic as catcher ERA.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-26778656565023475622017-11-10T22:37:17.227-05:002017-11-10T22:37:17.227-05:00You can't have an FIP for a catcher. FIP is an...You can't have an FIP for a catcher. FIP is an acronym for Fielder Independent Pitching.<br />In other words, it measures what a pitcher can do to control outcomes, such as K/9IP, BB/9IP, how many times he hits a batter (HBP) and how many home runs are allowed.<br />Since many teams have great disparities in how good their players in the field are defensively, it was necessary to have such a metric.<br /><br />btw: I completely agree that Joseph should be our starter and that's one position that the Orioles need not be concerned about. If Joseph can teach some of his defensive skills to Sisco that would be a great bonus.vilnius b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02872502926590063013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-2697079397065833302017-11-10T20:57:08.782-05:002017-11-10T20:57:08.782-05:00I’d like to see a catcher’s FIPI’d like to see a catcher’s FIPbtwrestler119https://www.blogger.com/profile/13114527219746054252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-10374552940877963172017-11-10T14:21:57.528-05:002017-11-10T14:21:57.528-05:00I don't think anything that just relies on ERA...I don't think anything that just relies on ERA is all that convincing, but sure, it's part of the puzzle. Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-25887094471287583032017-11-10T13:57:18.898-05:002017-11-10T13:57:18.898-05:00There's been a big debate over whether "c... There's been a big debate over whether "catchers ERA" is a real thing.<br />Is it?Piphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853470978165087046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-50500275362591456302017-11-10T12:30:55.890-05:002017-11-10T12:30:55.890-05:00Caleb Joseph is one of my very favorite players, n...Caleb Joseph is one of my very favorite players, not just because of his rags to riches story, but because he's a very good catcher.<br /> I do not know whether it is buck or Dan undervalues Joseph's contributions so much, but I really hope that Joseph is the main catcher next yearPiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853470978165087046noreply@blogger.com