tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post8300216678902899527..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Orioles 2018 Blueprint Follow-Up: Why I Decided to Non-Tender Zach BrittonJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-21620549005223721372017-11-14T09:25:28.074-05:002017-11-14T09:25:28.074-05:00NOTE: I have just removed a comment from the list ...NOTE: I have just removed a comment from the list here. If you disagree with something that is written, then feel free to express that in an adult way. Give some evidence to why you think what you think. Your response should not be a series of attacks on the author.<br /><br />It need not be said, but also respect the other commenting here.<br /><br />I will not tolerate any other behavior.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-45538517213330521642017-11-14T05:52:49.661-05:002017-11-14T05:52:49.661-05:00Try reading the article next time before making su...Try reading the article next time before making such a silly comment.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-19269738085264342842017-11-13T13:25:23.115-05:002017-11-13T13:25:23.115-05:00I am ot a proponent of letting Britton go, but the...I am ot a proponent of letting Britton go, but the issue is not whether you think Britton is productive or not. It is whether the production and cost at his current position is replaceable there more cheaply and whether the savings can be usefully applied elsewhere.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-3493174888311702232017-11-13T11:23:25.472-05:002017-11-13T11:23:25.472-05:00"The only way the Orioles get a good package ..."The only way the Orioles get a good package for him is if he pitches like he did in 2016 again and there’s a desperate contender who needs a closer. Again, that scenario is possible, just not probable."<br /><br />But its worth paying a one year $12m salary to find out. The only pathway the Orioles have at competing is having a dominant bullpen to support a starting rotation that will be average at best no matter who is signed. If Britton flakes out in worst case scenario, you simply don't resign him after the season. The potential gain for letting Britton walk in exchange for an extra free agent or two who project as average is limited. You have to assume Britton will be totally unproductive or injured all season to have that thinking. I don't see any evidence to suggest that Britton has no chance to be good again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15427526051371867260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-65497276644621659112017-11-10T12:50:36.650-05:002017-11-10T12:50:36.650-05:00Joe, you're right. I have been thinking Trumb...Joe, you're right. I have been thinking Trumbo was owed something like $24M and Kemp $38M, so I was working off not quite accurate numbers. On the other hand, Braves bloggers have been talking about deals like Kemp+Wentz for Ian Kennedy or Kemp+Tarnok+Muller to White Sox for Matt Cooper. Kemp has negative value because he DOES play the field and Trumbo has negative value when he DOESN'T play the field. As opposed to a pure salary dump for the Braves they can turn it into a change of scenery trade for both teams and the Braves don't lose prospects and they can also more freely trade Matt Adams if Trumbo is there to back up Freeman at 1B. The Braves have a lot of excess high minors SP and much of it is not slated for long term use. One of their publicly stated goals is to obtain a couple of relievers which is where the O's have some excess and a probable very expensive closer. Also, if the Braves get Britton, they can offer him a QO next year and get a decent draft pick back - something the O's wouldn't make much use of (and, if he accepts the QO then the Braves get two years of a closer not one). You may be right that they are more likely to do that in July, but that would eliminate the QO possibility and the O's could use a guy like Sims right away and Wisler/Blair each have an option remaining to prove themselves in the Majors. I dunno, seems like there's a potential match there somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-23357615724990036312017-11-10T11:49:31.231-05:002017-11-10T11:49:31.231-05:00Roger, the very last thing this team needs is anot...Roger, the very last thing this team needs is another one dimensional player who is useless in every other dimension.<br />Nobody wants Trumbo. Nobody should want Trumbo. Roster flexibility is important and neither Trumbo nor Kemp offers that.<br />Dumping Trumbo to get out from under the contract is the best and only possible option, but even that is highly unlikely.<br />Absent that, the suggested first place platoon is the best option, and Dan needs to stand in the corner for re-signing Trumbo in the first place.<br />"Yeah he's bad, but whatta deal!"Piphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853470978165087046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-3588586655399899482017-11-10T10:53:48.638-05:002017-11-10T10:53:48.638-05:00According to baseball-reference.com, the Braves ow...According to baseball-reference.com, the Braves owe Kemp 31 million for two years. Trumbo's contract is 26 million for two years. I can't see any way that the Braves would take on Trumbo for a 5 million savings. <br /><br />Also, the Braves are unlikely to give something significant for a rental closer until they know for sure that they will contend in 2018. Maybe mid-summer, if they're in the race, but not now. I could see them trading Sims, Blair, and Wisler for Britton, but I don't think that's what the Orioles have in mind.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18347209822215185644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-39065509278679587912017-11-10T05:34:49.304-05:002017-11-10T05:34:49.304-05:00I already wrote about a couple of trade possibilit...I already wrote about a couple of trade possibilities for Trumbo. I wouldn't trade Britton right now anyway.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-35566929376745008872017-11-09T21:41:15.025-05:002017-11-09T21:41:15.025-05:00OK, Jon, let's trade him before non-tendering ...OK, Jon, let's trade him before non-tendering or tendering. Either way (before or after arb) the trade is the same.<br /><br />Matt, as long as Trumbo can't DH and Britton is too expensive, something has to be done. Non-tendering is really not an option because you give away a real asset and get nothing in return. You don't like Kemp, I get it - no one really does, but look at his stats. When healthy is is an above average hitter whose value is dragged down by his fielding. Big Papi didn't look all that good until he became a full time DH. When he was healthy early last year, Kemp was a monster and absolutely carried the Braves offense. Plus he's not really that old. What we're really talking about is trying to find some SP that is controllable and cheap. You gotta give to get.<br /><br />Find me a better option where we eliminate the idea of Trumbo playing OF, getting something of value in return for Britton, and we get a MLB-ready or near-MLB-ready SP for no additional cost. I would rather try Kemp at DH and then release him if it doesn't work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-69774009054013127772017-11-09T19:51:52.629-05:002017-11-09T19:51:52.629-05:00He won't be non-tendered, so we can move on fr...He won't be non-tendered, so we can move on from that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655243516414448784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-75938765862322203402017-11-09T15:00:53.987-05:002017-11-09T15:00:53.987-05:00This was an excellent article, and I appreciate th... This was an excellent article, and I appreciate the sentiments. However, it is sadly too late for anything except choosing between several very bad alternatives. <br /> A good GM treats his assets at the peak of their value, and prepares for the replacement of that value by drafting intelligently. For all the noise about Oriole ownership of being cheap, The money spent on free agency refutes that. The problem is not spending money, but wasting it. <br /> The best of the bad alternatives is undoubtedly to hang on to Britton and, regardless of how the team is doing at the deadline, trade him for whatever we can get. <br /> Even if we're doing very well at the deadline, closer is the most easily replaceable of the key ingredients on a playoff team. <br /> The Orioles are not a championship team by any definition, but they might be a playoff team, and Britton is almost certainly more valuable for what he could provide in the future then he would be for what he provides next August.<br />( and the supplemental question is whether he would turn down the qualifying offer. There's every possibility he won't perform well enough to warrant receiving one, and that he would accept immediately if he did, which makes trading him all the more important.)Piphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853470978165087046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-14695817726410824302017-11-09T12:15:14.981-05:002017-11-09T12:15:14.981-05:00There is nothing to suggest Matt Kemp would be a g...There is nothing to suggest Matt Kemp would be a great DH. Please just let that trade idea die.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-14274072338648313122017-11-09T11:51:57.383-05:002017-11-09T11:51:57.383-05:00Johnson was not signed and traded. He was traded a...Johnson was not signed and traded. He was traded and then offered arbitration. Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-9920137789369437892017-11-09T11:34:44.130-05:002017-11-09T11:34:44.130-05:00That's why you sign and trade. Just like the ...That's why you sign and trade. Just like the Jim Johnson experience. Only Johnson got traded for a bucket of balls known as Jemille Weeks. The O's could certainly get a fringe SP for Britton, if not more. That would certainly be better than non-tendering. I'm going to go back once again to thetrade I think makes most sense of anything I've heard - Trumbo and Britton to the Braves for Kemp and SP (some combination of guys like Teheran/Sims/Wisler/Blair/Folty - you guys can pick what you think is fair). The money would mostly be a wash except that the O's save some this year and the Braves save some next year (unless they re-sign Britton which they could do or at least give him a QO). Kemp would be a great DH only (see Cruz, Nelson) and could get a reasonable candidate for the rotation along with it. Kemp should never be in the field and could turn into a RH Papi. The Braves get some power and a shut down reliever both of which are stated goals and they can afford to give Trumbo some time in the OF with Enciarte and Acuna to cover for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com