tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post7830412789304006290..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: If The Orioles Move On From Mark Trumbo, It Won't Be Because Of A Draft PickJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-49472260198119429552017-01-19T11:29:08.044-05:002017-01-19T11:29:08.044-05:00The draft fascinates me: I would love an article a...The draft fascinates me: I would love an article about the deeper parts of the draft, where much more important analysis is necessary.<br />The first couple rounds are laden with well-known players, so it's easier to make a logical pick, even if it doesn't work out( was DJ Stewart a logical pick? He sure doesn't seem to be working out)<br />But the later rounds is where wise eyes make the most impact.<br />I'm really interested in where the guessing starts and teams just pick guys because they throw or hit very hard, and how Dans personal preference plays into those choices. He really seems to care about neither control in pitchers(favoring hard throwers) nor excellent defense in hitters(preferring hard hitters.)<br />All the hullabaloo about Sisco ignores his lousy defense, and nothing is more important for a catcher, but Dan seems ok with that.Pipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-2633276788533564032017-01-17T07:55:07.342-05:002017-01-17T07:55:07.342-05:00I've been tough on Davis's defense at firs...I've been tough on Davis's defense at first base at times, but there's no question he's better there now than when he was first acquired by the club. He's a plus with the glove, and he's not moving off of first base. He shouldn't.<br /><br />Anon, no, the Orioles don't have room for three more position players. Who are you going to bump from the roster? Keep in mind they're almost certainly going to try and keep a Rule 5 pick on the team (probably Aneury Tavarez).<br />Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-13733535658613100982017-01-17T07:42:20.604-05:002017-01-17T07:42:20.604-05:00Trumbo was considered better than Davis in RF by c...Trumbo was considered better than Davis in RF by club.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-36969946657527143242017-01-17T07:41:39.311-05:002017-01-17T07:41:39.311-05:00Jordan was head of scouting and now is head of Phi...Jordan was head of scouting and now is head of Phillies minor league operation. He was replaced by a very qualified scouting director. Duquette has input on top of the draft, but more so in the process of that selection. He is not a GM who wants a last look. That is an old school mentality that is not exactly common anymore.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-45841917526216945302017-01-17T07:39:39.488-05:002017-01-17T07:39:39.488-05:00In other words, if you doubt your scouting departm...In other words, if you doubt your scouting department then you do no depend so much on later round selection.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-10654594725611525122017-01-17T07:38:58.791-05:002017-01-17T07:38:58.791-05:00That is not really how scouting works. Duquette...That is not really how scouting works. Duquette's placements in scouting were not starting from no knowledge. They were quite knowledgeable. Particularly since we are talking about first round picks. You do not need a crazy advanced and detailed overhaul to select a first round pick. Yes, there are differences in opinion on exact order, but that is the easiest part of the draft to draft.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-58348406691637423062017-01-16T23:57:35.254-05:002017-01-16T23:57:35.254-05:00Although, Mancini at 1B, Carter at DH, and Davis i...Although, Mancini at 1B, Carter at DH, and Davis in RF is not such bad idea.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-34732496457170190742017-01-16T23:54:20.909-05:002017-01-16T23:54:20.909-05:00Pagan would not be good. I still say the O's ...Pagan would not be good. I still say the O's should take a chance on Mancini, if for nothing else than to see if he can be an asset in 2018. If he never gets a chance then he never gets the experience and reputation. What we still need is a RIGHT HANDED OF (or at least someone with spectacular stats against lefties). I'm not sure who that is but Mancini/Smith at DH, Kim/Rickard in LF, and Taverez/? in RF is what we have. You can go with Alvarez at DH and not platoon Smith in RF but his numbers against lefties are awful (as are Alvarez's). Carter is no RF so Trumbo is an improvement over that. Apparently, folks here think neither Walker would be good in RF. I like Bourn but he's another lefty - maybe his numbers aren't so bad against lefties. Having Taverez and Bourn around improves the defense when you need it. Who is out there that can hit lefties with authority and still play defense???? I sure hope Santander gets better and can fill that hole.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-84383531886399377832017-01-16T23:03:34.484-05:002017-01-16T23:03:34.484-05:00yes, they do have room!yes, they do have room!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-84461301729831186782017-01-16T22:30:38.591-05:002017-01-16T22:30:38.591-05:00Regarding sarasotosfan's comment: I know virtu...Regarding sarasotosfan's comment: I know virtually nothing about the scouting department and the hierarchy of the front office for the Orioles organization.<br />Who was Joe Jordan and what was his role with the organization? Since he has apparently left, who has replaced him?<br />Finally: how much of a role in the selection of players in the amateur draft does Duquette play? Or does he entrust much of the work to his subordinates?<br /><br />I'm in agreement with Matt about Duquette. Given his history, it is doubtful that the draft pick attached to Trumbo is of a paramount importance to him. But since I know little about any changes that may have occurred in the front office in recent years, I guess it's nothing more than speculation on my part.vilnius b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02872502926590063013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-19070456914496052882017-01-16T19:05:02.330-05:002017-01-16T19:05:02.330-05:00Yes, I think in the case of Mark Trumbo this is mo...Yes, I think in the case of Mark Trumbo this is more about negotiating than it is about the pick. Early in Duquette's reign he may have discounted the value of those picks because the scouting simply was not up to par. I think today his views on losing a first round pick are different than they were when Joe Jordan was there. I think Dan has more confidence in the scouting today, but with respect to Trumbo, it is hard to argue a supplemental pick is worth more than the leverage gained in negotiating with Trumbo.sarasotosfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03259776869120704518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-71123208015209634092017-01-16T18:26:47.163-05:002017-01-16T18:26:47.163-05:00They don't have room for three more offensive ...They don't have room for three more offensive players. There are spots for a DH and maybe another outfielder, at the most.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-37575199889112950952017-01-16T16:55:16.211-05:002017-01-16T16:55:16.211-05:00Resigning Trumbo would be stupid. Sign Carter, an ...Resigning Trumbo would be stupid. Sign Carter, an almost identical player, for avout a quarter of what Trumbo would cost. Sign Pagan and Alvarez and call it good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-91557684325072386262017-01-16T09:45:44.672-05:002017-01-16T09:45:44.672-05:00I have more of a problem with the competitive bala...I have more of a problem with the competitive balance pick strategy. You're not going to get much in return in terms of prospects in those deals because you're dumping salary. Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-80173942702293296592017-01-16T09:37:17.940-05:002017-01-16T09:37:17.940-05:00If ANY of Rowen, O'Brien, Barker, or Belicek e...If ANY of Rowen, O'Brien, Barker, or Belicek ended up being worth a #74 pick (or two in aggregate) then those comp bal picks might not have been so wasted (yes, I know the O's saved a few bucks). Or if Norris had come a bit cheaper (he did well but Hader is projecting better). And one could also argue that there were better pitchers to use a #1 draft pick on than Gallardo and Jimenez (although turning Gallardo into Smith may end up being a coup). We might not be so frustrated with the trades and signs. It's not the feeling that the strategy is bad just that it hasn't been executed to the best degree.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-69753546811059627212017-01-16T07:59:59.845-05:002017-01-16T07:59:59.845-05:00The Orioles traded a competitive balance pick away...The Orioles traded a competitive balance pick away in that trade. Thanks, I corrected the wording.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-28122889733623635102017-01-16T06:40:43.262-05:002017-01-16T06:40:43.262-05:00Did we lose some draft pick in the Ryan Webb deal ...Did we lose some draft pick in the Ryan Webb deal or gain onr? The way it is written it looks like we added a pick. IrishAl '81https://www.blogger.com/profile/12830607808443359950noreply@blogger.com