tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post1341055569799808334..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: What To Know About Vance WorleyJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-50273998258473735332015-11-04T07:28:27.185-05:002015-11-04T07:28:27.185-05:00Very interesting analysis. and comments from reade...Very interesting analysis. and comments from readers. But flawed in the following way. Being a fan of both the O's and the Bucs I know a bit more about Worley. The stats that show when he starts and relieves in the same season that show him t be a better reliever are accurate. BUT when he is just a starter like in 2014 with the Bucs he is a much better starter than when he starts infrequuently and is a long reliever. This was also true last year when he pitched for AAA Indy, which you can easily check out. So use him a starter and you'll get the most out of him...or at least Ray Searage did in 2014 at PGH. Or use him as a short reliever. But don't move him back and forth between starting and relieving. I think the O's should put him in the rotation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6152673019410588912015-11-01T15:01:07.401-05:002015-11-01T15:01:07.401-05:00^-- This exactly. Worley led all of baseball for ...^-- This exactly. Worley led all of baseball for two years in backwards Ks back when he was with the Phillies. He is 100% dependent on the umpires giving him a large strike zone, and even then he generally throws about 100 pitches to get through the 5th inning.<br /><br />Unsurprisingly, then, the more starts he gets, the worse he does. You'll notice a correlation there if you look at his time with Pittsburgh also. In 2014, he didn't get any MLB starts until mid-June, and even then he notably wore down a bit in mid-August. When he had an 11-day rest, he proceeded to come back with 2 above-average back-to-back starts to finish out September.<br /><br />As a Phillies fan, Worley feels a lot like J.A. Happ. He had one year where he grossly outperformed expectations, then another where he regressed a bit, and then he got traded while his value was still fairly high... Whereupon he proceeded to stink up the joint except in limited usage. The difference being that you can count on Happ to give you more innings than Worley (although he's also 5 years older now).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-43147984309993696642015-11-01T14:28:32.728-05:002015-11-01T14:28:32.728-05:00The reapsn Worley worked better in the pen and the...The reapsn Worley worked better in the pen and the reason why he hasn't had a succesful starting stint since being traded from the Phillis has to do with his numbers second time through the order. He doesn't get swinging strikes. Hs a deceptive called strike pitcher, and he rarely lasted past the 5th inning or second time through the lineup. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-13863530624603423992015-10-23T15:52:19.174-04:002015-10-23T15:52:19.174-04:00One could also look at Worley as an O'Day repl...One could also look at Worley as an O'Day replacement. <br /><br />This could also be an instance where the Orioles use this time period to try and work out a lesser deal with Worley before non-tendering him, similar to how the Blue Jays traded for Smoak last year, declined his option and then signed him to a smaller deal. <br /><br />Good article, appreciate pointing out the similarities to Orioles pitchers under Duquette.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-23049409030927297612015-10-23T11:57:26.172-04:002015-10-23T11:57:26.172-04:00Right and the club would have no idea if anyone ch...Right and the club would have no idea if anyone choosing in from of them actually put in the claim. They also probably will never know if anyone after them put in a claim.<br /><br />Teams only get a binary response. You got it or you didn't.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-43181727992914707332015-10-23T11:55:18.286-04:002015-10-23T11:55:18.286-04:00ok let me understand:
A guy is put on waivers, and...ok let me understand:<br />A guy is put on waivers, and every team<br />Simultaneaoulsy( within a certain time, say 48 hours) puts in a claim it doesn't, and the claim is awarded to the team with the descending record?<br />So the Athletics didn't claim Worley, because they'd have been awarded the claim by virtue of a bad record, but the Royals or Rangers might have, but the Orioles, with the lesser record, got the claim, correct?<br />I still think it was too expensive for the probable return, and I can't imagine that the remaining teams would have been interested at the expected cost, but if I undersaand the process better it is time well spent.Philipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-84408573750509297232015-10-23T11:06:38.239-04:002015-10-23T11:06:38.239-04:00Maybe...it is just that we have yet to drink enoug...Maybe...it is just that we have yet to drink enough tea to see what the leaves say.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-41497704713537659662015-10-23T10:38:46.481-04:002015-10-23T10:38:46.481-04:00Could Worley be a replacement for Gonzalez? Altho...Could Worley be a replacement for Gonzalez? Although Worley does not have as much starting history, seems like similar production for half the cost and 3 years younger. Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6280209992764431162015-10-23T10:02:34.441-04:002015-10-23T10:02:34.441-04:00They also could still non-tender Worley if they do...They also could still non-tender Worley if they don't want to pay that much for him.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-11502138037000466102015-10-23T09:56:31.991-04:002015-10-23T09:56:31.991-04:00Claims are blind.
Orioles did not know for certai...Claims are blind.<br /><br />Orioles did not know for certain if anyone put a claim on Worley.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-19507396945833659052015-10-23T09:43:12.283-04:002015-10-23T09:43:12.283-04:00Thanks for the info. I'm still scratching my h...Thanks for the info. I'm still scratching my head.<br />Because they claimed him off waivers, the Orioles now have to cough up his arbitration salary, which is tantamount to signing him as a free agent for 2.7 million.<br />But if he had cleared waivers, he could have been signed for much less money.<br />Your article sure seemed to be damning with faint praise. <br />What did the Orioles see that was so valuable they were willing to spend near three million to get it, especially when the teams next in the waiver order were far less likely to make a claim?Philipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-75104688705519564562015-10-23T08:38:58.730-04:002015-10-23T08:38:58.730-04:00thanks for the analysis. My gut told me Worley wa...thanks for the analysis. My gut told me Worley was a good pickup but I couldn't have said why. I remember when he came up with the Phillies and pitched very well right out of the gate when they were competitive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com