tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post9155631075738985053..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Peter Angelos is Not CheapJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-72698091286549946492018-04-23T09:19:50.664-04:002018-04-23T09:19:50.664-04:00Keep in mind that if you comment on a months old p...Keep in mind that if you comment on a months old post that blogger thinks you are a disingenuous poster.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-35752760458100517602018-04-19T12:31:14.437-04:002018-04-19T12:31:14.437-04:00The tough part of blogs is if your response doesn&...The tough part of blogs is if your response doesn't mirror the post don't expect your comment to be approved. I was an Orioles fan during the days of Frank, Brooks and Boog. Many of the current recent rosters at times had very good comparative players. The glaring problem over the last 30+ years has been management. Blogs are great when the purpose is to set your own perspective in a posting format in which you control. Everyone knows what's wrong with the Baltimore Orioles, until that determined gritty owner passively supporting the club and a genius sits at the helm both missing the Orioles will continue to be without a World Title. The person at the helm needs to make it clear, this clubs goal is one thing and one thing only a World Title anything less is failure. There is one winner and the next club is only the first loser and on down. I'm tired of owners undetermined, I'm tired of players managers left right lefting us to death. As Coach Brooks said, "Gentleman you don't have enough talent to win on talent alone" A person tells you managers mean nothing is a fool, bad managers show up like a sore thumb in the World Series. Francona tanked the 2016 series all by himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-19766233566851026512018-01-06T00:12:46.119-05:002018-01-06T00:12:46.119-05:00Good article. As PTCello said, it's spending m...Good article. As PTCello said, it's spending money on the wrong players. Exhibit A being Chris Davis, an Angelos favorite.vilnius b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02872502926590063013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-70703434847151018502018-01-05T16:19:22.277-05:002018-01-05T16:19:22.277-05:00The Nationals don't pay the Orioles anything, ...The Nationals don't pay the Orioles anything, unless you're referring to revenue sharing. The Orioles receive larger profits from MASN than the Nationals. The rights fees that MASN pays to the Orioles is counted in their revenue. <br /><br />The profits that MASN pays to Angelos is not considered the Orioles' revenue by anybody. Just like the profits that MASN pays to the Nationals isn't considered their revenue. Or just like the profits that the Rangers, Angels, Phillies and others receive from their deal isn't considered revenue. Or just like the profits that the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets receive from their networks aren't considered revenue.<br /><br />If you did take those profits into account, the Orioles would go from #2 to #5.Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-66858682247229608042018-01-05T13:39:42.752-05:002018-01-05T13:39:42.752-05:00No.
Orioles received 48 MM last year and MASN prof...No.<br />Orioles received 48 MM last year and MASN profits were split about 80-20 with more going to the Orioles.<br /><br />When you look at most other organizations you find similar sheltered holdings. Matt Perez has better info on this.<br /><br />That all said, the money shifts the percent around, but not this overall list all that much. Other clubs have entities like that or other contracts like with parking lots or other stadium deals.<br /><br />I think if you do a plus/minus of 10% then you probably get a general truth. MASN would really need to be much much more valuable that what I have seen suggested for them to drop into the lower half of payroll leveraged clubs.<br /><br />It is important to recognize that MLB k ow what MASN generates and they still consider Baltimore a low revenue club. To me, that suggests that the end result would not differ all that much.<br /><br />MASN would have to be the most valuable team sports channel in the US to push Baltimore into the bottom half.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-33086369209913643652018-01-05T12:42:29.239-05:002018-01-05T12:42:29.239-05:00Does the Forbes revenues include MASN, and the amo...Does the Forbes revenues include MASN, and the amount the Nationals pay the Orioles? I suspect the revenue is higher.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04352779549663115444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-24102381441505112162018-01-05T12:19:54.173-05:002018-01-05T12:19:54.173-05:00This is a very good article, I have said often and...This is a very good article, I have said often and accurately that there's too much evidence that the problem is not an unwillingness to spend, but foolish and contradictory spending.Piphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853470978165087046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-39973817751462152802018-01-05T09:13:44.619-05:002018-01-05T09:13:44.619-05:00That doesn't matter.
You can be worth a trilli...That doesn't matter.<br />You can be worth a trillion dollars, but if it is not in a movable form of value then you cannot really use the value to spend on current items.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-26888687322542652192018-01-05T08:40:34.985-05:002018-01-05T08:40:34.985-05:00There's only one problem with this analysis.
A...There's only one problem with this analysis.<br />Angelos bought the team at auction for $173M in 1993. It's actually kind of funny to read this NYT article about how risky this was seen at the time (also, holy crap Loria nearly bought the Orioles).<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/03/us/baseball-going-going-sold-orioles-auctioned-for-173-million.html<br /><br />They're now worth about ONE BILLION DOLLARS more than that and that's not even the price they would sell for if Angelos put them up for sale. Just their estimated value.<br /><br />Steve Caimanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03659485594233850846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-311006657468429062018-01-05T07:25:32.988-05:002018-01-05T07:25:32.988-05:00I think people are equating cheapness to risk-aver...I think people are equating cheapness to risk-averseness when they criticize Angelos. We all want him to go boldly where the Yankees and Red Sox go and that never seems to happen. It's a lot harder when you have to compete and beat such big market teams every year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com