tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post9018973796322079653..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Orioles Are Reportedly Only Interested In Spending $100 Million-Plus On Chris DavisJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-42685660575990089602015-12-22T15:29:17.831-05:002015-12-22T15:29:17.831-05:00@Chicago Curmudgeon
While I would have agreed wit...@Chicago Curmudgeon<br /><br />While I would have agreed with this opinion a few years ago, I don't know if the climate is the same as it used to be. Especially not the way that the American League is projecting to be. Not all the moves have been made, and so there are some teams that could distance themselves one way or the other moving into ST, but man... It really looks like every single team in the AL could have a realistic chance of making the playoffs this season.<br /><br />I really do think that any team projected for 80 or more wins can find themselves in the thick of it. Some good sequencing or some fortuitous 'luck' can really be the difference between a team that wins 82 games and a team that wins 87 games and catching the last playoff spot. So, from the Orioles standpoint, I don't think there's any reason to tear things down right now. That being said, I don't think this team is going to the playoffs, and losing Davis (or signing Davis, really) wouldn't be the difference, ultimately.Dustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-90228265753123950172015-12-22T13:15:29.490-05:002015-12-22T13:15:29.490-05:00What is sad is that the team is too stingy to try,...What is sad is that the team is too stingy to try, and too proud to rebuild. If they were finally building their international scouting and signing international minor league free agents and otherwise building their coaching of and scouting for minor league players I could see that as at least redirecting effort. In strategy they call this "stuck in the middle." It is a sad place of indecision.Chicago Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06414955596248767874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-27013469073128026812015-12-21T20:22:41.252-05:002015-12-21T20:22:41.252-05:00I am convinced as long as cheap ass Angelo's o...I am convinced as long as cheap ass Angelo's owns this team then we are destined to never win the series 150 million could bring in a lights out picher or even Upton.so looks like unless we sign Davis bargen basement shopping as ussual. What's up with all this masn money I for one have always refused to support masn as beat I can since as usual cheaper Angelo's is just making his own pockets fat and saying screw u again bmore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04326523734940164786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-79017302655992370702015-12-18T15:12:59.612-05:002015-12-18T15:12:59.612-05:00hey! it's Christmas and here is what i want fr...hey! it's Christmas and here is what i want from Santa.1: Davis fires Boras and accepts a shorter term contract for roughly 5/100M IF they agree to 1a: earmark the other 50M to improve the roster and 1b: give him a player option for a 6thyr.<br /> 2: Pete does this and also opens the purse a tad more to sign one more mid tier pitcher as the 50M will be to get an upper tier player.<br /> like i said it's Christmas. maybe Pete will get into the seasonal spirit. lol.tony2302https://www.blogger.com/profile/14464582714647079915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-70742795901477717082015-12-18T10:48:36.456-05:002015-12-18T10:48:36.456-05:00I typically believe that things are much less sini...I typically believe that things are much less sinister than they appear, and in this case it seems like the Orioles are trying to go beyond what they'd normally do to bring back a player the fans and owner really like. But should fans be expected to accept that? No way. <br /><br />And to Anon No. 4: I'm still not sure how leaking this story helps them actually sign one of the expensive outfielders. They still have to outbid other teams. The most likely scenario is that they spread the money around on a couple more low- to mid-level signings and then call it a day. And that would be pretty disappointing, depending on the specific moves.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-46130619676907089832015-12-18T10:39:10.998-05:002015-12-18T10:39:10.998-05:00What about from a PR perspective?
It is no secret...What about from a PR perspective?<br /><br />It is no secret, both front offices and agents leak information at times to better their negotiation position. How about Zobrist's $80m offer?<br />To that extent, I have to believe what the Orioles have done with Davis is brilliant. They are in a difficult position with the fan base on how to handle Davis. Typically, Boras negotiations are kept tight-lipped... but each meeting, each offer from the Orioles with Boras has been highly publicized... The Orioles PR person has certainly controlled the image to make Davis look like the bad guy here for not accepting an offer (or at the very least make the Orioles look like they gave their best effort). <br /><br />However, while the Orioles are winning the public relation battle for Davis, it might have cost them dearly for the other free agents. The market isn't shaping up well for the remaining OF after Heyward - (Cespedes, Gordon, Upton) as it seems at least one of these players might sign below what was expected. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2599400-fact-or-fiction-on-all-of-mlb-offseason-week-6s-free-agency-trade-rumors<br /><br />I assume any agent would push the Orioles for the $150m tabbed for Davis for their player. So how does this then work out? How can the O's so publicly offer Davis a big payday, then go back to offering lowball offers to the remaining OF? <br />The answer - leak info about an almost laughable story about how that money was tabbed for Davis alone and no one else. Oddly the history (or perceived image) of Angelos looks like it is just enough to cast just a shadow of doubt the story might indeed be true. <br /><br />For me, I am not buying it - I do believe that the Orioles will make an offer to one of the OF mentioned, and if we land one of them, it will be for below their expected signing. <br />As much as I'd like to see the roster take shape now, it makes more sense to wait out the market which is Duquette's MO anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-34683914720653682332015-12-18T10:18:07.593-05:002015-12-18T10:18:07.593-05:00I know this borders on sounding like an 'Angel...I know this borders on sounding like an 'Angelos is pocketing all the money argument' (which is an argument I usually feel is lazy and unthoughtful), but here goes:<br /><br />If a team has 'earmarked' $150 million for one player, doesn't it stand to reason that the money should be out there for another talented player? I mean, if you go out to get dinner somewhere, and your favorite restaurant has a two hour wait, you don't go 'Oh well, we tried, let's go home and eat beans out of a can', right? You were going to spend money on dinner in the first place, and you're already out, so why not go to another place that you can enjoy as well? Now, I can understand not wanting to eat McDonalds once you've been turned away from the elegant seafood place, but I'm sure there's something else out there that would be enticing and make your night worthwhile. This analogy has gone way, way too far.<br /><br />With Mike Illitch, Artie Moreno, etc., we've seen a lot of owners step in on these big deals the past few years. I get it. It's Angelos' team, and he can (and should) run it the way that he wants to. But if the report is true that the team was willing to offer $150 million dollars to Chris Davis, but some or most of that money does not get spent on other players (superstars, stars, or even just a bunch of middle-of-the-road guys), it's hard to justify that this team's motives are in line with what we as fans think they should be (improving the team). I hate that previous statement, because it sounds so trite and uninformed, but that's how this ordeal is coming off.<br /><br />The Orioles, and Peter Angelos, with this move, are beginning to look a lot like the LA Clippers under Donald Sterling, minus the racist slumlord stuff.Dustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-85359341275008316732015-12-18T08:15:41.662-05:002015-12-18T08:15:41.662-05:00Comment summary:
1) Would you guys take the over/u...Comment summary:<br />1) Would you guys take the over/under on the Machado (23), Trumbo (21), Schoop (16), and Wieters (12) home run projections?<br />2) If Kris Bryant and Manny Machado were both free agents right now, who would get a larger contract?<br />3) How do the profiles of Byung-Ho Park and Mark Trumbo compare? Who will hit more HRs in 2015?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-63199526009506776332015-12-18T08:02:59.014-05:002015-12-18T08:02:59.014-05:00I'm convinced that the Orioles shouldn't r...I'm convinced that the Orioles shouldn't re-sign Chris Davis. I'm convinced a 7yr 150 mil deal is highly unlikely to work out favorably.<br />Still, as a fan, I want to see Chris Davis hitting home runs in Baltimore. <br />It isn't particularly logical, it isn't particularly rational, but I still want it. <br />Plus I want to make the pretty unfavorable bet that Machado/Davis/Jones/Trumbo will out homer Donaldson/Bautista/Encarnacion/Tulowitzki which would be really, really cool.<br />I mean serious rotation and on-base/contact issues aside, it's hard to deny that the Orioles are going to hit a ton of HRs in 2016, especially if they sign Davis. <br />Projections: Kim (10), Machado (23), Davis (37), Jones (25), Trumbo (21), Wieters (12), Schoop (16), Hardy (12), Reimonld (10) which adds up to 164.<br />I'll absolutely take the over on Machado and Trumbo by a good margin, and Wieters and Schoop by a bit as well. <br />I think Jonathan looked more like a .250/.300/.450 bat last year than the .251/.291/.429 bat he's projected as. OK I guess I disagree mostly about the slugging percentage. <br />I feel like the projection systems are pretty conservative for Machado, maybe something to do with his knee surgeries and lesser plate discipline prior to last year. Manny Machado is six months younger than Kris Bryant, isn't that crazy? (I think it was mlbtr, maybe fangraphs chat the other day that suggested Bryant would command the larger free agent contract were they both free agents today. I have to say, I disagree, though I see the argument based on Machado's knee surgeries). <br />I don't really feel comfortable guessing on Trumbo and Wieters. Maybe the Orioles two biggest offensive wildcards. It's hard to judge both defensively: Trumbo has been juggled around between teams and positions without getting a chance to settle in somewhere, and Wieters isn't too far removed from TJ. Offensively, Camden Yards is Trumbo's first hitters ballpark (except 50 games in Arizona where he slugged .500). There is no question about the power, definitely legit. <br />Side question, who do you think hits more HRs next year, Byung-Ho Park or Mark Trumbo? Seems like they'd have fairly similar profiles. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com