tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post6465805126051029671..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Matt Wieters and J.J. Hardy Are Available, Unless They Aren'tJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-81196792566108386332013-11-17T01:01:25.928-05:002013-11-17T01:01:25.928-05:00I would probably do this deal but its close. Schoo...I would probably do this deal but its close. Schoop and especially Rodriguez are high quality prospects, and Hardy is good, but Miller is exactly what we need as a starting pitcher. It seems like we have 3-4 solid starters, but that number 1 guy is really hard to get. Having Bundy and Gausman gives us some depth in the SP prospect department, as they should both be contributors for the next few years. Liamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-5589966560093320382013-11-16T14:47:48.467-05:002013-11-16T14:47:48.467-05:00Years of affordable Miller for 1 year of Hardy, a ...Years of affordable Miller for 1 year of Hardy, a borderline second baseman and a pitcher who is years from the major leagues? This seems like an easy decision to me. The problem would be that they would want to sign Hardy for more than a year, and I am not so sure Hardy wants to be in St. Louis. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-50951122581992374132013-11-15T13:53:58.026-05:002013-11-15T13:53:58.026-05:00Hardy is as solid as they come,but the O`s can mov...Hardy is as solid as they come,but the O`s can move Machado to SS and find a 3rd basemen via trade or free agency. Baltimore does not attract free agents.That has to change or they will be mediocre or worse for years to come. They need pitching! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299740494101502719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-15002902129681360172013-11-15T11:34:12.599-05:002013-11-15T11:34:12.599-05:00True, but I can't prove it in a comment box. I...True, but I can't prove it in a comment box. I'll send you an e-mail.Matt Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-46927588485659009672013-11-15T10:48:04.702-05:002013-11-15T10:48:04.702-05:00I don't think that constitutes a change in thi...I don't think that constitutes a change in things. It might simply be just a really big year for prospects when they were all in there together.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-48362222313677638542013-11-15T10:43:31.051-05:002013-11-15T10:43:31.051-05:00I haven't seen a study saying it. And there ha...I haven't seen a study saying it. And there has not been much change with offensive prospects over time. <br /><br />But in 2008, Kershaw, Price and Buchholz were in the top ten. You won't find a single year from 1990-1997 that has three pitching prospects in the top ten who are that good. Pedro Martinez is good enough to be in that conversation. Maybe Kerry Wood and Steve Avery? McDonald? Livan Hernandez? <br /><br />Matt Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-23016402566324460872013-11-15T09:15:52.624-05:002013-11-15T09:15:52.624-05:00Has it improved? My understanding is that prospec...Has it improved? My understanding is that prospect performance has basically flat lined since the mid 90s. Do you have a link to this study? It would be interesting to review.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-67668899134728622742013-11-15T08:43:06.962-05:002013-11-15T08:43:06.962-05:00Pitching prospects have simply become more product...Pitching prospects have simply become more productive since 1990-2000. I think teams are learning how to better manage them.<br /><br />I'd probably pass on the deal. The Os don't have enough talent to trade away all three of those guys for a single starter. Matt Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-38603508003103642372013-11-14T15:46:37.240-05:002013-11-14T15:46:37.240-05:00#Larry McLaughlin - I have a sportswriter friend w...#Larry McLaughlin - I have a sportswriter friend who is from St. Louis and remains plugged into Cardinals reporters. The Cardinals are desperate to improve at shortstop and believe they have enough starting pitching to make one available. Shelby Miller is likely to bring the biggest return.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18347209822215185644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-30405250154942552482013-11-14T15:41:36.333-05:002013-11-14T15:41:36.333-05:00I suspect that the Orioles leak one set of informa...I suspect that the Orioles leak one set of information to the national media and another set to the local media, or at least different phrasing. So the Ken Rosenthals and Jon Heymans get "Yeah, we'd trade Hardy and/or Wieters." while Roch and Britt get "We'll never say never, but we'd have to be blown away." That way they put it out there that they're open for business, but reassure the fans that overvalue their own players, in the event that they don't end up making a deal.<br /><br />As to whether trading those guys it's a good idea, it really just comes down to what type of team they want to be. If they're content to be an 85 win team, they can do that for a couple of more years with this core and then hope Bundy and Gausman succeed in a way that the previous classes of pitching prospects haven't. If they're aiming higher than that (and they should be) they either need to spend more money on this years team or trade Hardy and Wieters in strategic deals that fill long term needs.Mike Bonsierohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15828417279641199171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-11838961905574312042013-11-14T14:32:24.708-05:002013-11-14T14:32:24.708-05:00I don't think this team has enough to compete ...I don't think this team has enough to compete long-term with the Rays or Red Sox. My worst fear is that we wait too long to begin the rebuild. The window on this core group of veterans shuts in the next two years. We should be focusing on youth and upside NOW. Blow this team up, get as much young talent as possible from what we have. Stock the farm system with as many high-upside players as possible. Sell high on Davis. No player but Machado should be off-limits. The best business move for the team is a World Series, not "homegrown" players.Greg F.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-66925530801279345452013-11-14T12:42:08.431-05:002013-11-14T12:42:08.431-05:00The general feeling here reminds me of the desire ...The general feeling here reminds me of the desire to keep homegrown players and perhaps the overvaluing of them. Back in the mid-90s, the Orioles had a shot of acquiring Shawn Green for Jeffrey Hammonds and change. Allegedly, Angelos refused because he valued a talent that could be called homegrown. That led to the team acquiring Albert Belle a couple years later and Hammonds leaving in exchange for Willie Greene.<br /><br />So, Schoop, Hardy, Rodriguez...probably are not worth what a lot of local O's fans think.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6503266731567171772013-11-14T09:49:35.240-05:002013-11-14T09:49:35.240-05:00I absolutely do that deal. Hardy is replaceable. S...I absolutely do that deal. Hardy is replaceable. Schoop is no sure thing, ditto for Rodriguez. Miller seems to be much more of a sure thing and much more of a high-ceiling prospect. So, he has a higher floor and higher ceiling. I just dont think (and the Orioles certainly havent) the type of prospect Miller is comes around often...h2h Cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01158171043246018163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-38783279629354852462013-11-14T08:13:37.222-05:002013-11-14T08:13:37.222-05:00Erik Bedard was traded in 2008. In 2007, Adam Jone...Erik Bedard was traded in 2008. In 2007, Adam Jones was ranked 28th on Baseball America's top 100 prospects list. In 2008, Chris Tillman was ranked 67th. The O's were also able to get some use out of George Sherrill for a while, and then flip him for Josh Bell (who didn't pan out) and Steve Johnson (who has been OK, but he's often injured). Kam Mickolio wasn't effective and wasn't in the majors very long, and Tony Butler never made it out of the minors. That's a ton of value.<br /><br />In 2012, Schoop was ranked 82nd on Baseball America's top 100 list. He wasn't on the list in 2013 (neither was Rodriguez). Rodriguez figures to be on the list in 2014, but who knows how high.<br /><br />Baseball America is just one source, and it doesn't mean everything. But I think sometimes guys like Schoop get overrated. I am more excited about Rodriguez, however.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-36464357915856914742013-11-14T07:24:49.687-05:002013-11-14T07:24:49.687-05:00And why are the Cardinals willing to trade Shelby ...And why are the Cardinals willing to trade Shelby Miller? He is not anywhere near free agency - correct?<br /><br />Pitching is such an important commodity, I wonder if there are issues w/ him that we do not see. <br /><br />No, I would not trade our 3 for Miller. This could potentially be an Eric Bedard in reverse. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10639510251774284041noreply@blogger.com