tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post6380699907879791000..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Getting Rid Of GausmanJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-65060559422699946522015-11-25T11:53:22.510-05:002015-11-25T11:53:22.510-05:00Starting pitching seems to have more of a boom-bus...Starting pitching seems to have more of a boom-bust caveat, so dealing a potential (key word=potential) ace for positional players can blow up in your face (see Arrieta) as much as it turns into a great deal (see Erik Bedard). That being said, I'm make the deal as much as I would HATE to lose a good clubhouse presence in Hardy. Hardy and Jones are the veterans and really the only ones who are out there day in and day out (sorry, Weiters has to be healthy first to lead). The rest are kids. So ship off a veteran (Hardy) and have two more kids playing in the field.<br /><br />I'd also be curious as to the difference in Hardy to Castro as far as fielding. The bat, sure Castro has it all over JJ. But in the field, Castro will never be confused with Ozzie Smith. <br /><br />But I'd do the deal. At least they'd go to the NL and I would have to be reminded of what could have been (see E.Rodriguez of the Bosox)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03993448803260380541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-75632572138452088462015-11-22T09:56:18.218-05:002015-11-22T09:56:18.218-05:00Club is discussing Gausman. I am unsure how seriou...Club is discussing Gausman. I am unsure how serious they are with it. He is highly valued around baseball. His inability to consistently spin his breaking ball is a concern but he is young enough for that to be overlooked. If he does not figure it out for 2016 along with service time issues, his value will drop by about 70%. You are either all in on him now or you spin for something you so believe in within context of what the overall plan is.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-56443985694029780082015-11-22T00:52:29.417-05:002015-11-22T00:52:29.417-05:00Respectfully disagree...completely.
Gausman has t...Respectfully disagree...completely.<br /><br />Gausman has the stuff to deal at a high level. He regularly stays above 95 MPH throughout a start and he's been figuring out the difference between throwing and pitching. Now, if he can pick up a solid third, and hopefully, fourth pitch he might be one of the best starters in the majors. His mechanics look like he's got at least a decade of work available.<br /><br />Now, we missed the boat on selling high on Bundy and can only hope he's arm problems aren't the end of him.<br /><br />Of course, the Orioles having already dealt a Cy Young winner for some marginal talent doesn't mean they aren't open to this. At this point, I'm starting to think the only untouchable part of this organization is Machado. Though Gausman is pretty close in there too. <br /><br />GRob78noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-40760039161693155232015-11-19T16:33:42.224-05:002015-11-19T16:33:42.224-05:00I think you could argue that it is the only positi...I think you could argue that it is the only position of strength to deal from trade wise. However...the main choice is do you believe in cost controlled bats or pitching given what is available on the market.<br /><br />I think the trade occupies a gray area primarily because it fills two positions while dealing out one. The issue being that Gausman might be special.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-82910594262219488932015-11-19T14:55:35.723-05:002015-11-19T14:55:35.723-05:00Why deal from a position of weakness that is diffi...Why deal from a position of weakness that is difficult to fill in order to acquire fill a hole that can be effectively filed other ways?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-91163880316629200772015-11-19T14:17:49.368-05:002015-11-19T14:17:49.368-05:00I think you know what we mean.I think you know what we mean.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-46505634333886919882015-11-19T14:14:58.482-05:002015-11-19T14:14:58.482-05:00In fairness to other anonymous, we're all agin...In fairness to other anonymous, we're all aging (though not shortstops)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-35518646065058083542015-11-19T13:10:42.487-05:002015-11-19T13:10:42.487-05:00I'm not really a Starlin Castro fan, but he...I'm not really a Starlin Castro fan, but he's 25. He's not great; he's not aging either. Still, I think expecting him to be a mild or even huge offensive upgrade over Hardy is expecting a lot, unless we're just talking about 2015 Hardy.<br /><br />I'm not a huge fan of this specific trade, but I can see the logic. The Orioles have plenty of needs, not just at starting pitcher. That doesn't mean you give Kevin Gausman away. I don't think this trade is doing that.<br /><br />Much of what's been frustrating with Gausman has been how the Orioles have handled him, and I give him just about all the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him underperforming or whatever. But he's still been up and down when given a chance in the rotation, and there's no guarantee he'll be an ace, especially if he only throws fastballs and change-ups. Anyway, that the team getting him in this example (Cubs) should not have much bearing on whether you pull the trigger or not. It's about the return.<br /><br />If I dealt Gausman to the Cubs, I think I'd hold out for Kyle Schwarber, if he's even available. There's no need to trade him away unless you get something impressive in return. I'm not sure Soler qualifies.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-25017049091972760472015-11-19T13:05:02.758-05:002015-11-19T13:05:02.758-05:00A 25 yo SS is an aging SS?A 25 yo SS is an aging SS?Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-36874470365909764952015-11-19T12:58:23.204-05:002015-11-19T12:58:23.204-05:00Horrible horrible idea. We would replace one aging...Horrible horrible idea. We would replace one aging SS with another (to whom we would be committed for more years) while trading a MLB ready young SP (potential ace) for yet another low walk/high K/below average power 1 WAR (if that) OF. And Gausman would almost certainly turn into a Cy Young Winner for the Cubs just to rub it in again. No thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-87955909672740989582015-11-19T12:43:58.465-05:002015-11-19T12:43:58.465-05:00Lessee..... the biggest need is SP and you trade t...Lessee..... the biggest need is SP and you trade the best young SP and let the actual best SP (Chen) go in FA. It doesn't matter what you get back; that is nuts. There's lots of OF possibilities. The SS part, idunno - no firm opinion one way or the other. Top SP is not easy to find. Maybe trade Gausman for Arrieta....... lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-4354400457930841342015-11-19T11:24:25.292-05:002015-11-19T11:24:25.292-05:00I would be fully in favor of this deal. Castro cou...I would be fully in favor of this deal. Castro could be anything from a mild to huge offensive upgrade at shortstop over Hardy and Soler would fill a big void in right.<br />Then again, if there was any chance at Soler for Wright + anyone but Gausman, Machado, or Schoop, that would be preferable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-88148014508258174402015-11-19T09:51:32.206-05:002015-11-19T09:51:32.206-05:00My estimate would be about 5-8 MM.My estimate would be about 5-8 MM.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-22242718659141574832015-11-19T09:35:59.799-05:002015-11-19T09:35:59.799-05:00How much cash would the Os need to take on to get ...How much cash would the Os need to take on to get Vogelbach included in the deal? Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-23156760581813394772015-11-19T08:49:08.020-05:002015-11-19T08:49:08.020-05:00I, personally, have come around on the idea of tra...I, personally, have come around on the idea of trading Gausman. While it irks me to no end to see Os pitchers find success elsewhere, they just don't seem to develop as they should in this system. I don't know if it's they're intimidated by OPACY's reputation as a launchpad or if it's systemic but the fact is, Gausman may never be more than a #3 caliber pitcher here. Good offense, middling SP, good bullpen has become the new Oriole Way. If you can get value for him, trade him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09649155220702362112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-54476937783651714222015-11-19T08:07:14.384-05:002015-11-19T08:07:14.384-05:00That is true. Neither Soler or Castro can pitch.That is true. Neither Soler or Castro can pitch.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-83561598782184879402015-11-19T07:39:40.395-05:002015-11-19T07:39:40.395-05:00I"m sorry but Starlin Castro + Jorge Soler as...I"m sorry but Starlin Castro + Jorge Soler as the return for a Gausman deal is not within the realm of possibility. <br />Gausman is potentially an excellent pitcher -- these guys are notAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com