tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post5664748630096030760..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Wieters Isn't Needed at DHJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-27030192124041170502015-03-22T14:38:42.717-04:002015-03-22T14:38:42.717-04:00Wieters is a very good player. And a team player a...Wieters is a very good player. And a team player at that. Wieters will play wherever his manager tells him to. Berdj Joseph Rassamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-38352526767865686172015-03-21T20:32:11.380-04:002015-03-21T20:32:11.380-04:00Yeah, I remember when Anonymous wrote that.Yeah, I remember when Anonymous wrote that.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-79066412841748782562015-03-21T17:25:43.086-04:002015-03-21T17:25:43.086-04:00Jimmy Paredes is another viable option for some ti...Jimmy Paredes is another viable option for some time at DH, methinks. He hit really well down the stretch last year, and has been tearing it up in spring training. His defense is abominable, but with Machado and Davis back we won't be needing him to play the field.<br /><br />There's really no room to give Wieters any AB's as the DH this year - the team has a surfeit of other guys who can probably do the job better.<br /><br />In fact, I'm going to voice an unpopular opinion that I voiced last year - I'm not entirely sure we need Wieters at all. Joseph is a stellar defensive catcher and a much better pitch framer. I don't buy Wieters' offensive performance from the start of last year, and I'm simply not convinced that Wieters is really a more valuable player, all told, than Joseph.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-26425272347028028042015-03-20T14:32:53.890-04:002015-03-20T14:32:53.890-04:00From what I understand, recovery from the elbow su...From what I understand, recovery from the elbow surgery is longer for pitchers, not as long for position players. Pitchers make a *lot* of hard throws in a row, with rotation, etc. So it should not be 14 months. Eriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-65407951929120187292015-03-20T12:17:49.826-04:002015-03-20T12:17:49.826-04:00Two things: In all likelihood, he's not going ...Two things: In all likelihood, he's not going to hit as well as he did last year for an entire season. Also, the Orioles are not pushing him. This was the timetable him and his doctors came up with, and the O's are being as flexible as possible. They want Wieters to be in the lineup and productive just as much as he does.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-14997762222489889022015-03-20T12:13:28.816-04:002015-03-20T12:13:28.816-04:00It's simple: Wieters needs a whole year of the...It's simple: Wieters needs a whole year of the first 26 games of last year. On the other hand, why are they pushing a Tommy John casualty at the 9 month mark? Everybody says as Wieters goes, so go the O's. They may or may not be right, but the reason the experts, or so-called experts put the O's in last place is because everything needs to go right and that means no injuries. I don't believe Wieters is the key. I think Davis and Machado are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08521632416731063983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-12237059885914664932015-03-20T11:29:55.178-04:002015-03-20T11:29:55.178-04:00Batting Vlad 4th made sense. A poor batting order...Batting Vlad 4th made sense. A poor batting order is not catastrophic and players can be picky. Sometimes a happy player is more important than an extra 3 runs over the length of a season.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-83720960254144115162015-03-20T10:58:24.286-04:002015-03-20T10:58:24.286-04:00To be fair, Wieters does not DH often, and he very...To be fair, Wieters does not DH often, and he very well may not in 2015. It's interesting to see criticisms of Showalter; they're pretty rare.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-29012197875870115182015-03-20T10:53:14.298-04:002015-03-20T10:53:14.298-04:00There is no question that the Orioles have much be...There is no question that the Orioles have much better options at DH than Wieters. If Showalter wasn't the manager, then this issue wouldn't even be discussed. Wieters, as discussed in the article, is not a good hitter for a DH and the Orioles have much better options available. Showalter is EXTREMELY loyal to certain veteran players such as Wieters, just like he was with Markakis over the last several years of very mediocre hitting, just like he was with Vlad Guerrero keeping him at hitting cleanup even when he wasn't hitting at all the whole second half of the year, just like he was with Jim Johnson during his terrible last year here with blown save after blown save, similar to how he was with Kevin Gregg when he was here, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-56009746347736289002015-03-20T09:19:13.006-04:002015-03-20T09:19:13.006-04:00To update that column...Joseph's performance d...To update that column...Joseph's performance decreased a little bit as the season progressed. Instead of projecting to 25 runs saved over a full year thanks to pitch framing, his projection became 22 runs.<br /><br />It is better to have 2 years worth of framing data instead of just 2/3rds, but he showed himself to be pretty valuable in those 2/3rds. If Wieters was healthy, then it would be, to me, almost a no brainer to deal him. As is, Wieters needs to establish value or wind up being tagged at the end of the year.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-14678150098454769532015-03-19T20:32:22.224-04:002015-03-19T20:32:22.224-04:00I don't think Joseph has played enough to say ...I don't think Joseph has played enough to say anything definitive about his defense vs. Wieters. Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-79692984701455795422015-03-19T19:06:36.008-04:002015-03-19T19:06:36.008-04:00Hello?
Re: query about Caleb defense <\> Wie...Hello?<br />Re: query about Caleb defense <\> Wieters defense?Philipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-26287250437093257632015-03-19T16:06:42.918-04:002015-03-19T16:06:42.918-04:00Why? He's a platoon option who can he lefties....Why? He's a platoon option who can he lefties. It's not like they broke the bank to bring him back.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-77702478611526269372015-03-19T15:59:53.139-04:002015-03-19T15:59:53.139-04:00Oh, I don't believe in Young for a minute. I a...Oh, I don't believe in Young for a minute. I am astounded that we signed him. Eriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-27575220481048330352015-03-19T14:46:16.566-04:002015-03-19T14:46:16.566-04:00Roger, thanks Pat!Roger, thanks Pat!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07129461114428343431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-65868348823468439852015-03-19T14:43:13.909-04:002015-03-19T14:43:13.909-04:00Benjamin, As far as I know, the only article about...Benjamin, As far as I know, the only article about Joseph pitch framing that we have run is the one from last summer. I was going to link to it, but you commented there, so I guess you've seen it.Pat Holdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200447825435518346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-22020144329628079452015-03-19T14:34:47.637-04:002015-03-19T14:34:47.637-04:00I'm enamoured with Joseph's pitch framing ...I'm enamoured with Joseph's pitch framing skills. Has this blog explored the potential impact that has on O's pitchers outperforming their FIPs? And the potential impact that has on retaining Wieters? I feel like pitch framing is something that catchers can do as the rest of their game suffers, so maybe Joseph would also age better despite a late start at the big league level? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07129461114428343431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-5404208312752705332015-03-19T13:29:16.922-04:002015-03-19T13:29:16.922-04:00Is Wieters, at his best, a better defensive catche...Is Wieters, at his best, a better defensive catcher than Joseph?<br />Joseph seems to have a better and more accurate arm.<br />If Joseph can hit .240-250 instead of .207, and his defense remains excellent, keeping Wieters might be moot.<br />Trade him at the deadline( peak value) and let him go.Philipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-85126874389528782015-03-19T10:18:23.453-04:002015-03-19T10:18:23.453-04:00I agree with your main point. I was throwing out s...I agree with your main point. I was throwing out some reasons why even though your main point is accurate that the Orioles may decide to do the opposite. <br /><br />I'm not saying that the Orioles should force Wieters to play if he thinks he needs a day off. And if he thinks he needs frequent days off then you have to give them to him. Likewise, if the doctors say he can only catch 80 games this year then you need to reassess how you use him.<br /><br />I'm more thinking that the Orioles should avoid doing what the Nationals did to Strasburg. A lot of people thought that giving him a strict innings limit after TJ surgery was the way to go but most players didn't see it that way. And going into free agency next year you can bet that Wieters will want to play as much as health permits. I bet Boras would appreciate the Os being slightly aggressive and letting him catch 120 games (if he can) rather than being conservative and only letting him catch 80.<br /><br />Baseball players want to play.Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-25337613409494423142015-03-19T09:48:22.916-04:002015-03-19T09:48:22.916-04:00I guess the larger point being, it might be a whil...I guess the larger point being, it might be a while before we know how much Wieters can handle, since Tommy John surgery is so uncommon for catchers. But the O's don't need Wieters filling in at DH when he isn't catching. They have other suitable options.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-39071212288092515312015-03-19T09:46:02.542-04:002015-03-19T09:46:02.542-04:00Matt, those are good points. Thanks for bringing t...Matt, those are good points. Thanks for bringing them up. If the O's expect to make a playoff run, they're likely going to need production later in the season. I'd prefer them to give him as much rest as possible, especially early in the year. If they want to burn him out because they don't expect to re-sign him, then fine, I guess. But that does seem pretty heartless and maybe not in the best interest of either the team or Wieters.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-77646265199891521532015-03-19T08:42:03.735-04:002015-03-19T08:42:03.735-04:00The variables I'd include is that using Wieter...The variables I'd include is that using Wieters as a DH could potentially impact his value for the upcoming offseason. <br /><br />If he doesn't play much then it becomes unlikely that the Orioles will offer him a QO. Him showing that he can hit lefties as a DH will increase his value and make that more likely. On the other hand, doing that makes it harder to resign him.<br /><br />The other thing is that if the Os don't plan to resign him then it doesn't matter if we play more than we should and this has impacts on the rest of his career as long as he performs this year. No need to let him rest extra this year so that he'll be able to be at full strength next year.Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-14296241922961929212015-03-19T07:58:27.446-04:002015-03-19T07:58:27.446-04:00Did you even read the post?Did you even read the post?Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-49613952936092415162015-03-19T07:40:26.921-04:002015-03-19T07:40:26.921-04:00Wieters has a significant platoon split in terms o...Wieters has a significant platoon split in terms of value. So he should be usable as a DH from one side. His wRC+ batting as a RH batter is above the DH average, even against RH pitching (136 AB). (Fangraphs)Eriknoreply@blogger.com