tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post4605888893761464563..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: What the Orioles Could Receive for Nelson CruzJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-29988065294892003832014-07-12T20:35:29.885-04:002014-07-12T20:35:29.885-04:00Anon - I think you might be having difficulty with...Anon - I think you might be having difficulty with the word "If" and probably the entirety of the first two paragraphs. The article, as mentioned several times, is an exercise in estimating Cruz' worth, which is a valid exercise at any point in time. A framework was established in the first two paragraphs to put forward a scenario where you could think about this in a more real time situation.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-33698105949228641732014-07-12T19:03:06.477-04:002014-07-12T19:03:06.477-04:00Seriously? A team leading their division is going ...Seriously? A team leading their division is going to trade away perhaps the best hitter in the AL...what exactly are you smoking? This is one of the dumbest articles written in the last decade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-84674594409308815092014-07-11T08:55:22.271-04:002014-07-11T08:55:22.271-04:00Matt - Totally forgot about that post.
Beltran w...Matt - Totally forgot about that post. <br /><br />Beltran was having a great season when traded to the Giants and was viewed as a better player at that time then Cruz is now. The Mets received a top 50 pitching prospect and were seen as winning the deal. I'm not sure why anyone would expect Cruz to get more in return. <br /><br />Jones and Machado can't really go anywhere. If this is the last year that we're successful until they hit free agency then this team would have bad been three years in a row. Making it to the playoffs four ago won't have much of an impact on them.Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-22598221795195400302014-07-11T02:36:00.623-04:002014-07-11T02:36:00.623-04:00These comments are fantastic. Keep them coming! These comments are fantastic. Keep them coming! Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-33759068677491070612014-07-11T00:23:32.245-04:002014-07-11T00:23:32.245-04:00This article just made me stop reading Camden Depo...This article just made me stop reading Camden Depot. It's been a good ride.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-50501527167141460962014-07-10T14:42:11.107-04:002014-07-10T14:42:11.107-04:00I think the author is the one who thinks the OS wi...I think the author is the one who thinks the OS will fall. The AL lEast is theirs to win. What team on paper has better talent?......I will make sure to stop reading blog.18-1https://www.blogger.com/profile/17759211463688563622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-46144018688125536092014-07-10T11:33:09.644-04:002014-07-10T11:33:09.644-04:00Prospects come and go, but pennants fly for ever.Prospects come and go, but pennants fly for ever.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18049174081441366882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-66709185759578585192014-07-10T10:06:10.196-04:002014-07-10T10:06:10.196-04:00First of all, the blgger seems to vastly underrate...First of all, the blgger seems to vastly underrate the value of right handed power hitters in baseball--especially ones who can still do a serviceable job in the outfield so that he is viable for either league.<br /><br />Secondly, Cruz also has an amazing history in the post-season which only amps up his value to a contendor. The ruminations of possible trade return for the orioles seems really inept--unproven talents with a less than 10% shot of ever having lasting careers, let alone being quality players.<br /><br />Finally, and the big one, if I was Jones, Machado, Hardy etc...and the O's traded away my chance for the post season for a prospect or 2 that have a slim chance of panning out in a few years--I'd be gone. I'd never re-sign with the O's and I'd ask for a trade also.<br /><br />Didn't even Palmiero accept less money to leave Baltimore when Angelos started liberating the talent and hopes of the post season. We could end up as taboo cellar dwellers for years again if this happens.<br /><br />Clearly the blogger didn't think this through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-38834808179642597652014-07-10T02:32:39.988-04:002014-07-10T02:32:39.988-04:00Besides the Athletics the O's have that team f...Besides the Athletics the O's have that team first attitude and everyone seems to step up when they need too this year, getting rid of Cruz would be awful and very 1998-2010 front office Oriole management, cut the BS and win when you have the unity and talent. Most owners/players/fans can feel if its a special year and this is one of them for the Birds, deal for one more starting pitcher and let the team cruise into the World Series breaking the homerun record on the way there. Buck Showalter will not let this team fail, Even with mediocre pitching an extremely potent offense and incredible defense at the corners and outfield is all you need, peaceAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106966021671400544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-1855807614118341092014-07-09T14:52:44.253-04:002014-07-09T14:52:44.253-04:00No worries. Things can change quickly. I wrote my ...No worries. Things can change quickly. I wrote my own Cruz trade chip possibility piece a month ago (http://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2014/06/nelson-cruz-potential-trade-chip.html), when the O's were about .500 and the opportunity to make the playoffs didn't seem as high.<br /><br />The East is not very good this year, but the O's could certainly lose a bunch of games after the all-star break, when their scheduled looks more difficult. Who knows?Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-39601381831665175362014-07-09T14:33:26.231-04:002014-07-09T14:33:26.231-04:00Brett Wallace was a good prospect once upon a time...Brett Wallace was a good prospect once upon a time. He didn't pan out but that's baseball for you. Although I do wonder whether traded top 100 prospects do worse then non-traded ones. <br /><br />Went back looking for examples of comments. In retrospect, I've seen more comments saying that the Orioles have had a flukish season or that the Os are unable to go a run and haven't explicitly stated the Os should sell. Enough that it probably means I remembered incorrectly.<br /><br />My apologies.Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-25036425255738287342014-07-09T14:07:02.949-04:002014-07-09T14:07:02.949-04:00Certainly this is a different A's team and the...Certainly this is a different A's team and the Angels are chock full of talent, BUT if the O's find themselves in the playoffs you can't automatically count them out (not saying anyone on here is). However, if you could correctly assume they'd get knocked out, then any fan is crazy to say they'd rather finish as an AL runner up than cash in on our pending free agents to stay competitive for future years (when guys like Gausman, Bundy & Co. will all hopefully be making Big League contributions). <br /><br />The one reason it would never happen though is because that would be an incredible loss of money, and possibly the loss of a job for Dan Duquette and another uproar over Angelos. O's fans haven't shown support like this since '97 (2012 was fine and all but most fans saved their money and emotions for the playoffs). I have to imagine that counts for something.Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-30768418596047076932014-07-09T13:21:02.126-04:002014-07-09T13:21:02.126-04:00Personally, the last I saw anything was a month or...Personally, the last I saw anything was a month or so ago. With a horrible July...some folks might pop up with that opinion.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-23720327778329393892014-07-09T12:22:52.256-04:002014-07-09T12:22:52.256-04:00I'd honestly like to read some of the comments...I'd honestly like to read some of the comments of people who think the Orioles should sell right now. Where are you seeing them?Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-18286779689855388642014-07-09T12:18:33.467-04:002014-07-09T12:18:33.467-04:00With the Orioles in first place at 49-40 by 2.5 ga...With the Orioles in first place at 49-40 by 2.5 games, I seriously doubt they're going to do any selling at the trade deadline. I guess this confirms it wouldn't be worth it anyway. Good thing those fans don't run the team lol.<br /><br /> Holliday for Brett Wallace and two C+ prospects, yeah I'd pass on that haul for Cruz. Fans would be PISSED if the Orioles just decided too say "welp, we're in first but let's just concede this season"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17734221506209567204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-70653588806391323522014-07-09T12:15:46.776-04:002014-07-09T12:15:46.776-04:00I'm still hearing from some fans thinking the ...I'm still hearing from some fans thinking the Os should sell even though they're in first. It's gotten quieter over the past week after the win streak but if the Os go cold they'll come out again. Some point to projections saying that we've overachieved. Others think that a loss in the ALCS wouldn't be a good enough year. <br /><br />Cruz would be the best bat on the market and could net a strong return. Pearce would be considerably less valuable. <br /><br />Our next 31 games are against opponents in the playoff hunt and is a reasonably difficult stretch. Toronto has 4 out of their next 21 games against opponents in the playoff hunt until they play us on August 5th. <br /><br />Very possible that things could look bad by the deadline without Cruz struggling. <br /><br />Agree that many fans would throw a fit. One of many reasons why I wouldn't bet on a trade. But it is interesting to think about.Matt Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191574755038653061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-20338288211060649992014-07-09T11:50:02.255-04:002014-07-09T11:50:02.255-04:00Just to clarify...the author is not suggesting to ...Just to clarify...the author is not suggesting to sell now. It is based on the premise brought up in the first couple paragraphs of a subset of fans who think this team is destined to flounder.<br /><br />What this should tell you is if that happens, the take will not be all that great.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-70972992987123421582014-07-09T11:40:05.893-04:002014-07-09T11:40:05.893-04:00The only scenario we trade him is if we start losi...The only scenario we trade him is if we start losing, which means Cruz probably stops producing. In this case, his value likely drops and we would be lucky to get any Top100 prospects. <br /><br />I enjoyed the analysis but it seems like a waste of time.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-15411837478721690152014-07-09T11:32:18.781-04:002014-07-09T11:32:18.781-04:00We're in first place!
The long term is less im...We're in first place!<br />The long term is less important, at this time, than the short term.<br />Trading Cruz would render unattainable the reason why we play ball in the first place.<br />Yes we're going to lose a bunch of pieces, including Cruz, QO or not, after the season.<br />But you're suggesting that we fold tents NOW.<br />Nobody is beating the As this year(possibly the Angels too) but no one would call a loss in the ALCS a bad year.<br />Wise drafting,QOs, good dealing at the winter meetings(no more Ubaldo signings please!) and we can continue to be relevant while our young guys mature.<br />If you insist on trading a valuable piece, the Royals or Mariners would love Steve Pearce, and his value will never be higher.<br />But fans would scream almost as loud.Philipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-43311279870089093422014-07-09T11:09:25.992-04:002014-07-09T11:09:25.992-04:00First place? SELL SELL SELL!!!!First place? SELL SELL SELL!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-77811410046342259112014-07-09T10:50:32.258-04:002014-07-09T10:50:32.258-04:00What the hell did I just read?What the hell did I just read?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com