tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post4008549563888576984..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Orioles Again To Rely On Bounce-Backs, Hopes, And WishesJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-42001140492900479472016-02-05T10:51:16.356-05:002016-02-05T10:51:16.356-05:003.9 MM is not much. It is a slight overpay, but no...3.9 MM is not much. It is a slight overpay, but not considerably for a LOOGY. Issue is that it is more than most teams will bother with in a trade that results in giving up anything of value that costs less.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-58128456301942513682016-02-05T09:54:12.302-05:002016-02-05T09:54:12.302-05:00You didn't say it to me, I've never though...You didn't say it to me, I've never thought Matusz had much value...and now he's making 3.9 million. Go figure.Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-82660777948219291442016-02-05T07:12:28.503-05:002016-02-05T07:12:28.503-05:00Aroldis...that was a typo.Aroldis...that was a typo.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-77450482338051484472016-02-05T07:12:04.493-05:002016-02-05T07:12:04.493-05:00Melewski might not be the best source. Growing con...Melewski might not be the best source. Growing consensus in the industry based on my conversations are that fewer and fewer people think Bundy can start. There is still cautious optimism with Harvey.<br /><br />Remember Melewski compared Tanner Scott with ARod is Chapman. Realize the history of your information source.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-88645921646508939142016-02-05T06:00:37.006-05:002016-02-05T06:00:37.006-05:00Matusz has no trade value. As I have written befor...Matusz has no trade value. As I have written before, I think to you, the Orioles could not deal him last year for a AAAA OF without putting money into the deal. No value in a trade.<br /><br />Regarding value of MLB ready talent...Orioles would rank near last. These rankings are not really a worshiping of far off promises. Having a high floor is recognized as valuable.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-73817230687860703962016-02-04T22:45:29.189-05:002016-02-04T22:45:29.189-05:00Would you have said any different about Hammel or ...Would you have said any different about Hammel or Arrieta two years ago?Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-23561755694005851142016-02-04T22:24:46.127-05:002016-02-04T22:24:46.127-05:00Matusz is the very picture of wasted talent. How a...Matusz is the very picture of wasted talent. How a fellow can be so gifted and yet so lousy is beyond me.Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-16185472644734792572016-02-04T21:24:29.145-05:002016-02-04T21:24:29.145-05:00Matt, I agree and this year Bundy needs to produce...Matt, I agree and this year Bundy needs to produce - it's really the only option. He IS the farm system right now. I just read an old chat by Melewski where he said if Bundy and Harvey were perfectly healthy then the O's farm system would not be so lowly rated - it would be regarded much more positively.<br /><br />Jon, I might agree with you if there was a different rating for farm system with "major league ready" players. Do you know if there is such a thing? A lot of these farm systems are highly rated based upon future projectable players. If the O's stock a bunch of AAAA players at Norfolk ready to provide replacement level performance in case of injury, wouldn't that be a plus? It's not sexy but there's value in it. And I see DD starting to stock up on those players now - Navarro, Despaigne, etc...<br /><br />Also, now that Matusz has settled, Matusz at 3.9M is a moderately useful trade chip for someone who wants predictable performance with potential upside - maybe not as much as Hammel or Arrieta but he's not chopped liver.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-2177702520160406332016-02-04T08:39:44.106-05:002016-02-04T08:39:44.106-05:00How is what you describe different from other team...How is what you describe different from other teams with much better prospects in their system. This graduation thing sounds nice until you realize everyone graduates players and still finds a way to replenish them even in the face of injuries.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-48963984372619537292016-02-04T08:13:03.587-05:002016-02-04T08:13:03.587-05:00Injuries to Bundy and Harvey have been unfortunate...Injuries to Bundy and Harvey have been unfortunate, but Machado, Schoop, and Gausman are really the young, talented players the O's have produced. You can throw in Givens in that group; Joseph isn't young but has been a surprise success story. Machado is clearly the star of this group, but Gausman and Schoop are still sort of question marks. They've shown promise, for sure, but the Orioles need them to produce now.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-22688242543060397852016-02-03T22:30:47.559-05:002016-02-03T22:30:47.559-05:00Injuries to the top twp prospects sure doesn't...Injuries to the top twp prospects sure doesn't help but the O's have graduated prospects into the majors, specifically Machado and Schoop. If you can graduate two prospects per year or even every other year then your farm system is pretty productive. The O's could have graduated one last year with Bundy if he'd been healthy. Hopefully, Harvey, Mancini, and Cisco aren't too far away. I really do think trading Rodriguez and Davies didn't bring much back in terms of what the O's really need (top level pitching). But the draft picks this year will be a good start on replenishing the system. Short of tearing down the team or spending gross amounts of money, here we are.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-27836826185965905922016-02-03T21:54:55.824-05:002016-02-03T21:54:55.824-05:00Pearce sucked, he was as bad as the rest of the OF...Pearce sucked, he was as bad as the rest of the OF who were disposed of!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-2724035551043295562016-02-03T21:53:51.513-05:002016-02-03T21:53:51.513-05:00Dumpster Dan needs to quit talking and start makin...Dumpster Dan needs to quit talking and start making moves, top of rotation starter? Let's see it, RF, let's see it. He's always saying deals are in progress, then nothing. If there is nothing going on, don't say there is!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-48538358093582127222016-02-03T13:35:44.542-05:002016-02-03T13:35:44.542-05:00I wonder if it's really an either/or type situ...I wonder if it's really an either/or type situation and if there is the possibility of signing international prospects for large amounts of money. That maybe seems like a level of risk that the front office would not endorse. If so, then yeah, that's a real concern. Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6643191226101420922016-02-03T12:29:26.116-05:002016-02-03T12:29:26.116-05:00I think the big thing many of us have been worried...I think the big thing many of us have been worried about for several years is that Duquette's apparent 81-85 win team build and then hope you can rattle out good bottom end players is that to construct those 81-85 win base teams the club forsake amateur player acquisition. Additionally, in season trades resulted in a farm system that was stripped of its few second tier prospects. Add that to the collapse of the club's high end talent...and...well...Baltimore no longer has much of a foundation anymore.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-28519247006885589282016-02-03T12:01:42.992-05:002016-02-03T12:01:42.992-05:00Unless the Orioles build from the ground up and de...Unless the Orioles build from the ground up and develop a bunch of outstanding young players, the "shoot for a .500 record and get a few breaks" strategy is probably their best path to contention. That's what they've used the last few years. Last year was the most frustrating of the past few, but it beats rooting for a terrible team.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-34763018967721014582016-02-03T11:31:34.069-05:002016-02-03T11:31:34.069-05:00I think we have a somewhat mixed opinion about the...I think we have a somewhat mixed opinion about the pitchers. I think Wright could be a strong and serviceable back end arm or, at worst and most likely, a strong bullpen arm. Wilson's approach is something that rarely works for most pitchers, but he does have a shot at sticking in the rotation. He might be more of a couple seasons toiling in middle relief with spot starts.<br /><br />I think the Chen vs Trumbo contention is somewhat fair, yet simple. If we only look at the talent level of this team (that ignores the draft pick), the goal is more of a what value does Trumbo bring over generic DH hitters vs. Chen against Wilson and Wright. That does appear to be a lost of quality of maybe a win or two. In a grand scheme, the young guys are a year older and probably better (but it might be hard for Manny to do something grander than what he did last year). Older players like Jones are a year older and more likely to see a decrease in performance. Really, to compare the clubs it depends on the resolution of the scope you wish to employ.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-3427859212970307962016-02-03T11:05:49.907-05:002016-02-03T11:05:49.907-05:00Matt, that pretty much sums it up from my standpoi...Matt, that pretty much sums it up from my standpoint, too. There are still moves to be made - Jackson is still available at a reasonable cost and would likely be better than Pearce as a "fit". Also, Gausman will do better only because he won't be criminally misused this year, hopefully. Gausman should actually replace Chen pretty well. All we need to do is really replace Gausman as fifth starter. Considering his numbers last year, any of the options should do but I think Wright and even more so Wilson (at least according to FG) has more upside than portrayed here a the Depot. I watched him pitch and he was a very effective control pitcher. I am still not sure that a trade centering on Blackmon and Miguel is not possible (Miguel, Wright, Walker for Blackmon?). The O's could take a chance on Latos, too. The cupboard is not bare just starting to look really empty.<br /><br />The Chen vs. Trumbo comparison above is not fair because of the big money difference and the O's also get a comp draft pick. I also think they took a look at Pearce's WAA from last year and determined that they got his "good year" from him.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-86796310687988414002016-02-03T08:40:53.815-05:002016-02-03T08:40:53.815-05:00Sure. They also didn't bring back Pearce and s...Sure. They also didn't bring back Pearce and seem to be an outfielder short. Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-24266825577273581212016-02-03T08:36:00.229-05:002016-02-03T08:36:00.229-05:00Here's another way to look at the Orioles'...Here's another way to look at the Orioles' off-season. Essentially, the only move the Orioles made was to swap Wei-Yin Chen for Mark Trumbo. If that were a trade proposal, I wouldn't have made it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18347209822215185644noreply@blogger.com