tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post3459642555129794612..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Acquiring Jonathan Papelbon, Dealing Out J.J. HardyJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-88017841651360299152013-12-15T09:18:56.339-05:002013-12-15T09:18:56.339-05:00I did not think it actually needed to be mentioned...I did not think it actually needed to be mentioned, but such a hypothetical discussions is about potential value of pieces and general expectations. Names are used because it provides points of reference for fans who may not know exactly what levels of value might correlate to with regard to specific players.<br /><br />We have found in the past that when Nick and I discuss abstract terms of value people grow incredibly confused because it simply is not a common way to think about baseball.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-78607667464699655272013-12-14T20:56:14.120-05:002013-12-14T20:56:14.120-05:00I love fictional trades...AWESOME IDEA. We all can...I love fictional trades...AWESOME IDEA. We all can pretend to be GM's and throw out all kinds of ideas.....and who knows, the real GM might be paying attention!!! With all that being said reality is that the orioles are a mid-market major league team at best. Any trade not involving Wieters and hardy would be irresponsible. If hardy wins another GG and hits his usual .260 and 30 hr doubt we could resign him @ 14-16 mil per. As for MATT...SEE SCOTT BORAS!!!! Trade them now while there value is HIGH and in return get that TOR Starter, PRICE, that has been holding the orioles back from a serious World Seris push!!! Tampa bay sure does need a SS and A Catcher!!! Now this imaginary trade only makes sense if the orioles are willing to allocate the money to KEEP PRICE LONG TERM. I know trading within the division in MLB, especially when it comes to all-star caliber players, is frowned upon but this trade makes perfect sense for the 2 smaller markets in the AL BEAST to be significantly better and beat the 2 larger markets in Boston and NY in 2014 without mortgaging the FUTURE!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11848110612224432279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-69061881713096649242013-12-14T05:01:31.709-05:002013-12-14T05:01:31.709-05:00Love this process of two knowledgeable baseballers...<br /><br />Love this process of two knowledgeable baseballers role-playing out a trade negotiation. Don't like the idea of giving up valuable parts to get a closer where that closer is the centerpiece.<br /><br />Most Oriole fans are not familiar with Asche & Hernández. I certainly wasn't. Their MiL OBP's are eye-popping which is indicative of discipline & skills that play at the ML-level. Hernández' small-sample ML figures are encouraging. Sounds like both are near ML-ready & hardly "spare parts".<br /><br />Jon, love the "Question becomes get busy dying or get busy living."<br /><br />Jon & Nick, What do think of this: Wieters & M.Wright for Tommy La Stella, Gattis, Alex Wood. Way too little on the O's part? How good are La Stella defensive skills? davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-91866949949134845762013-12-11T13:14:41.871-05:002013-12-11T13:14:41.871-05:00This is one of the worst fake trades I've ever...This is one of the worst fake trades I've ever seen. Why in the heck would the Orioles give up their All-Star SS and #3 prospect for an overpaid and fading closer plus a bunch of spare parts and $6? If you want to talk about a PHI/BAL trade, let's talk Lee/Mayberry.The Baltimoronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12174819668426772309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-84989579210674136742013-12-09T23:00:13.908-05:002013-12-09T23:00:13.908-05:00Well...it depends on your evaluation of Asche and ...Well...it depends on your evaluation of Asche and Hernandez.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6650920511838528082013-12-09T20:52:45.245-05:002013-12-09T20:52:45.245-05:00So, the net effect of this proposed trade and the ...So, the net effect of this proposed trade and the Johnson trade is Rodriguez and Hardy for Asche, Hernandez, Jemile Weeks, and $6 million in salary relief. I don't see how this is a good move for the Orioles.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18347209822215185644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-78566848524594548862013-12-09T14:00:04.905-05:002013-12-09T14:00:04.905-05:00It probably will not be very surprising that Hardy...It probably will not be very surprising that Hardy is quite unlikely to be an Orioles in 2015. Question becomes get busy dying or get busy living.<br /><br />Doubt Hardy is going to really pull in a TOR...maybe a projected TOR, but, again, those guys are typically held onto tightly.<br /><br />David Price...yeah, Orioles could do that. Deal probably includes Gausman, Rodriguez, Schoop, and maybe someone like Wright.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-72521256919190761852013-12-09T13:32:57.502-05:002013-12-09T13:32:57.502-05:00I think we do need papelbon but for jj? that would...I think we do need papelbon but for jj? that would be a travesty if we let jj go! The players that you need to trade is nick, matt,or anyone in the bullpen except tommy or darren. briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-48168290647406399272013-12-09T13:03:38.231-05:002013-12-09T13:03:38.231-05:00No way Hardy is traded except for someone who is a...No way Hardy is traded except for someone who is a TOR starter. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-85924831912444600912013-12-09T11:28:42.640-05:002013-12-09T11:28:42.640-05:00I bleed orange and black, but left Baltimore 13 ye...I bleed orange and black, but left Baltimore 13 years ago. Live just north of Philly. We do not want Paps. Really. Think Asche would be nice long term, but I think 2014 could be big for us. Skip this deal and shoot for David Price. Break the bank. A true number 1 starter has tremendous trickle down effect. Oh, also trade Angelos. Hasn't his time passed.Chuck Wattnoreply@blogger.com