tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post1306929134695392677..comments2024-01-06T02:22:33.000-05:00Comments on Camden Depot: Top 5 Orioles Trade ChipsJon Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-83935750304656654772017-06-25T22:32:47.311-04:002017-06-25T22:32:47.311-04:00Thanks. Fixed.Thanks. Fixed.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-42600649288909188772017-06-25T18:53:06.648-04:002017-06-25T18:53:06.648-04:00For your potential deals for brach and givens, bot...For your potential deals for brach and givens, both say Britton for the listed players...Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04342414429268737418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-25967127121360217132017-06-25T17:04:10.136-04:002017-06-25T17:04:10.136-04:00I actually floated the deal by someone familiar to...I actually floated the deal by someone familiar to the Astros operations. So, eh.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-14478786730453506742017-06-25T13:11:56.831-04:002017-06-25T13:11:56.831-04:00The proposed O's-Astros Machado deal is laugha...The proposed O's-Astros Machado deal is laughably lopsided. Alex Bregman alone is worth more than 1.5 years of Machado let alone 5 other top prospects. Scott D. Uphamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08095455233040808012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-10333698657885539952017-06-25T11:02:02.506-04:002017-06-25T11:02:02.506-04:00Everyone presumes Big Dan does not see problems. H...Everyone presumes Big Dan does not see problems. He sees more his 2018 contract running out. Will anyone hire him?? He will try to sell the farm for a One More Year Run<br /><br />Schoop is a Core Building BlockAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10988861346975320291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-71637790368416258022017-06-24T12:53:56.049-04:002017-06-24T12:53:56.049-04:00You're assuming Andrew Miller wanted to play f...You're assuming Andrew Miller wanted to play for the O's. Don't assume. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17733208205822734167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6264811266893824532017-06-24T12:52:42.218-04:002017-06-24T12:52:42.218-04:00Manny is part of the reason why the O's are in...Manny is part of the reason why the O's are in this mess right now. If Machado, Gausman, Tillman, and Britton were performing as we expected them to, do you think the O's would be in last place or at/near the top? Just flip a handful of games and we would be talking about which of our minor leagues to package for another solid starter, while fretting about whether we'll get fleeced again by a smarter GM. I keep thinking about how if we kept Nelly and Arrieta and those two guys performed with the O's as they have with other teams (i know, huge if), O's probably have at least one WS championship the last three years.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17733208205822734167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-81086825618790597292017-06-23T18:52:06.809-04:002017-06-23T18:52:06.809-04:00I'm late to this conversation (again).
I agre...I'm late to this conversation (again). <br />I agree that hoping that Cal Ripken Jr. or Brady Anderson can be saviors without any significant front office experience is a mistake. Did Harry Dalton---one of the best GMs in Orioles history and pretty good with the Brewers too---have any playing experience? Nope. <br />When Duquette's tenure is over, I hope the Orioles consider moving Buck to the front office to assist with player evaluations. Given his record with helping build good teams in NY, Arizona and Texas, I suspect he'd do a good job---assuming he wants the job.<br />I'd like to see a Cashman type take over the reins at the GM position. Somebody who is young, tireless and understands the value of patience and the importance of keeping the farm system stocked. As we've seen over and over, prospects have trade currency. Sometimes an important deal is completed when a prospect is thrown in.<br />As for trade chips, IMHO we should move Machado sooner rather than later. His BA may be low now, but most teams probably understand that some of that is luck and that he'll certainly bring power and the best glove available on the market to either third base or shortstop (his natural position). <br />With Tillman probably hurt, Gausman lacking a third pitch and Bundy probably having to skip starts because it would be insane to have him throw 200+ innings given his injury history, I just can't see how the Orioles have enough starters to make the playoffs again.<br />We should remember that other teams will be sellers at the trade deadline too and since few teams have so little in their farm systems as the Orioles do, they might ask for less in return and we lose a golden opportunity to acquire a couple of blue chip prospects. <br />Throw in Britton (if healthy when he returns) or Brach and we should be able to get some pretty good young players and begin the rebuilding process.<br />Same with Castillo, Givens and possibly Trumbo. Get what you can for them and hope you get lucky since those guys can't bring back top prospects.<br />One trade---I like the game of make-believe too---I was thinking about: would the Nationals balk at a deal that involved Machado, Britton and Brach in exchange for Trea Turner and Victor Robles? They could slide Machado into the SS position and significantly upgrade their bullpen with the additions of Britton and Brach. We'd get their top prospect and a decent shortstop with speed and club control and not gut their system. With Harper certain to leave after 2018 too the Nats might look at this trade as an opportunity to win it all before their window closes. Maybe we can throw in an arm that's not as valuable as Scott or Hall. <br />And there wouldn't be this concern about trading with a division rival.vilnius b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02872502926590063013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-21663564081066873412017-06-23T14:07:05.780-04:002017-06-23T14:07:05.780-04:00A couple things:
- Schoop is a free agent after 2...A couple things: <br />- Schoop is a free agent after 2019, so the Orioles need to figure out what to do with him soon. <br />- The Orioles would love it if Mountcastle could stick in the infield, but he's likely going to be a future corner outfielder.<br />- That's a whole lot of hope in homegrown talent: Sisco, Mountcastle, Hays, Mullins, Hall, Sedlock, Aiken. I think only one of this group right now is a top 100 prospect (Sisco), but Hall could be soon.<br /><br />I think if you do sell off right and add some intriguing talent to the improving though still not great young group the O's have in the minors, then things get interesting. Still, the Orioles need more promising players, period.<br /><br />Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-80641210289471282862017-06-23T14:05:17.376-04:002017-06-23T14:05:17.376-04:00Side note. Still shocked the O's didn't gi...Side note. Still shocked the O's didn't give Andrew Miller 4/36Mil but a year later gave Darren O'Day 4/31<br /><br />I love Darren, but I would of ponied up for Miller long before DODBrent Uphamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716417187236667852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-17473315184354750662017-06-23T13:57:51.666-04:002017-06-23T13:57:51.666-04:00Brent Upham, I like your approach! Brent Upham, I like your approach! One-Account Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12982867814746859744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-3871585103303062902017-06-23T10:58:14.485-04:002017-06-23T10:58:14.485-04:002019 Line up
Mullins - CF
Schoop - 2B
Machado - 3...2019 Line up<br /><br />Mullins - CF<br />Schoop - 2B<br />Machado - 3B or SS<br />Mancini - 1B or DH<br />Davis - DH or 1B<br />Jones - RF<br />Hayes - LF<br />Mountcastle - SS or 3B<br />Sisco - C<br /><br />Rotation<br />Bundy<br />Hall<br />Sedlock<br />AIken<br />Gausman/Harvey<br />Brent Uphamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716417187236667852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-79326646560502147832017-06-23T10:52:05.865-04:002017-06-23T10:52:05.865-04:00Step 1. I think we do everything in our power to k...Step 1. I think we do everything in our power to keep Machado (a lot of money comes off the books after 2018 season) and you have to at least make him an offer.<br /><br />Step 2. Build around Bundy, Mancini, Schoop (and probably Sisco too)<br /><br />Step 3. Bring Adam Jones back on a Tori Hunter type leadership role (Move him to RF) 3/36-40Mil after 2018 season. <br /><br />Step 4. Hope Harvey, Sedlock, Aiken, Hall, Mountcastle, Mullins, Hayes can become solid starters at the Big League Level<br /><br />Step 5. Trade Chris Lee, Tanner Scott, Jomar Reyes, DJ Stewart, Drew Dosch, Clevinger, to improve the 2017-2018 Big league club.Brent Uphamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716417187236667852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-62664036939264503712017-06-23T09:25:04.249-04:002017-06-23T09:25:04.249-04:00Is there a button that we can hit to just make the...Is there a button that we can hit to just make these trades happen now? It's time to start to rebuild, even if they didn't want to commit to a full rebuild they could trade Britton (once healthy), Brach, and Castillo and get good hauls to retool for one last run next year and at least still have some young controllable talent for 2019 and beyond. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04679994615925688210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-4890760560939682212017-06-22T16:16:49.186-04:002017-06-22T16:16:49.186-04:00I'd agree on Trumbo, except it's only a re...I'd agree on Trumbo, except it's only a reasonable number if he's hitting competently. Right now, he has a wRC+ of 92. That's not completely terrible, but he brings nothing else to the table. He's basically a DH, and the league average DH has a wRC+ of 108. <br /><br />Trumbo is possibly movable in the AL for very little, but an NL team would probably want him at 1B. That's why it's a little odd that the Orioles have opted to use Mancini at 1B instead of Trumbo. Then again, the O's aren't going to sell off everyone anyway, but it's interesting to think about.Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-56141171693713611632017-06-22T15:43:29.547-04:002017-06-22T15:43:29.547-04:00I would throw Mark Trumbo on this list as well. Wi...I would throw Mark Trumbo on this list as well. With Mancini playing well, Rickard, and Gentry the Orioles could afford to trade a guy who is under contract for a few more seasons at a very reasonable number. Mr. Carbaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106610468816048900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-38744369900423581122017-06-22T14:59:35.929-04:002017-06-22T14:59:35.929-04:00just one question, well maybe two. when is Epstein...just one question, well maybe two. when is Epstein's contract up? and what would it cost the Orioles to get him? loltony2302https://www.blogger.com/profile/14464582714647079915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-37944895380979582742017-06-21T15:25:34.838-04:002017-06-21T15:25:34.838-04:00Touche on the Cal comment. That's a good point...Touche on the Cal comment. That's a good point. It was just an outside the box idea. Seems like a bad one now. Lincoln Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699072616631071749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-81451925517087958722017-06-21T15:11:17.227-04:002017-06-21T15:11:17.227-04:00Hardy was not a useful trade piece. His contract ...Hardy was not a useful trade piece. His contract make his option a fourth year if traded and he dealt with a blown non throwing arm labrum injury that zapped his strength in 2015 and last year some back issues began creeping up that are now full blown.<br /><br />The other bit, Duquette certainly knows these things. He simply is willfully leverage the resources of the club for the here and now. This is something we have noted for years. Duquette has done a great job working his patchwork approach...except it kills the club long term.<br /><br />Cal is not a solution. Why does anything think he would solve anything? Why does anyone think Brady and Cal want to work together? Just because we have a bunch of Orioles who did well does not mean you just throw jobs at them.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-65007224105017405412017-06-21T14:52:05.422-04:002017-06-21T14:52:05.422-04:00I am dumbfounded that the article starts with sugg...I am dumbfounded that the article starts with suggesting that any sane Orioles fan could foresee these flaws. Yet, somehow our "genius" GM completely ignored just about all voids on this team. I've been saying for 2 years that Gaussman has no movement in his fastball and no true 3rd pitch. A MLB pitcher could throw 120 Mph and an MLB hitter would hit it! The beat reporters continue to say things like, "What Free Agents did you want Duquette to sign?" My point has been, a good GM would step outside the box and leverage assets to get pitchers. Hardy has been on the decline for a few years but he's still a good SS. Duquette should have dangled him the last 2 offseasons. Now he's hurt and doesn't hold much value. Brach was another one. Anyone could see some of the big moments he messed up in last year but he was still an All Star, so he has solid value. He should have been offered in trade this offseason for a starter. That's the creativity we need from a GM, so this patchwork approach. Duquette also did not address the lack of speed, lack of leadoff hitter or the need for a few hitters who actually make pitchers work and throw more pitches. Now we are at the point of which they'll be forced to move historically great players. Manny will be a Hall of Famer and retire on another team. That is a travesty! Fire Duquette, bring in Cal, keep Brady and sit Buck down and tell him he'd better start figuring out how to manufacture runs instead of relying on the HR all the time! Whew, I'm done. One-Account Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12982867814746859744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-6889071006078971362017-06-21T14:51:10.234-04:002017-06-21T14:51:10.234-04:00Why do so many people mention Cal Ripken, Jr. as a...Why do so many people mention Cal Ripken, Jr. as a manager or GM option? Is it just nostalgia? He might do well in either role, but it's certainly far from a guarantee. And he's never held any major league coaching or front office position. He's undoubtedly an Orioles legend, but it just seems... odd to keep bringing him up over and over again. Does he even have interest in taking on a full-time role?Matt Kremnitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693430925266947705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-40579238118132068712017-06-21T14:50:18.959-04:002017-06-21T14:50:18.959-04:00I have long said the worst idea would be to put Ca...I have long said the worst idea would be to put Cal Ripken in there. No evidence he can build a team or put together the infrastructure. No experience. You could easily have a Michael Jordan situation where the guy is out of his element and is somewhat unfireable.Jon Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521809778977098687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-91616880048059847302017-06-21T13:31:06.464-04:002017-06-21T13:31:06.464-04:00I agree as well. One solution to the whole Showalt...I agree as well. One solution to the whole Showalter/Duquette contract ends is Cal Ripken. I've heard he is interested. Just sayin'. He could fill either role. And he could help find better pitching coaches! Lincoln Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699072616631071749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2893512317902577458.post-77861097255030702832017-06-21T08:19:50.863-04:002017-06-21T08:19:50.863-04:00I couldn't agree more. As a lifelong O's ...I couldn't agree more. As a lifelong O's fan (who's yet to witness a World Series) I'd love nothing more to make another run. Let's face it, that's not happening. Simply put, the pitching stinks and the farm system is worse. Add all of that up and now is the time sell off the peices to rebuild similar to what the astros and cubs did a couple years back. I'd gladly sacrifice a couple years to become perrenial contenders. Otherwise another year of "going for it" by trading a couple prospects for Scott Feldman and Gerardo Parra type players... then add in losing Machado in free agency this city and franchise is heading for another multi decade stretch of losing. Act now and rebuild while you have the peices.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131211419967149297noreply@blogger.com