In doing so, Joseph managed to do something that only 10 Oriole position players had done before him: debut at age 28 or older. Below is the full list:
Rk | Year | Age | G | PA | ||||
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1 | Alejandro Freire | 2005 | 30 | 25 | 72 | .246 | .319 | .338 |
2 | P.J. Forbes | 1998 | 30 | 9 | 10 | .100 | .100 | .100 |
3 | Chico Garcia | 1954 | 29 | 39 | 71 | .113 | .211 | .177 |
4 | Carlos Mendez | 2003 | 29 | 26 | 46 | .222 | .217 | .267 |
5 | Chico Fernandez | 1968 | 29 | 24 | 19 | .111 | .158 | .111 |
6 | Carl Powis | 1957 | 29 | 15 | 52 | .195 | .314 | .317 |
7 | Howie Clark | 2002 | 28 | 14 | 58 | .302 | .362 | .396 |
8 | Napoleon Calzado | 2005 | 28 | 4 | 5 | .200 | .200 | .200 |
9 | Mike Moriarty | 2002 | 28 | 8 | 16 | .188 | .188 | .250 |
10 | Ricky Jones | 1986 | 28 | 16 | 39 | .182 | .308 | .242 |
That is not exactly the greatest list one would wish to be on. Of those players, well, none of them wound up doing anything much of importance. The most renowned among them would be Howie Clark because he was the recipient of an Alex Rodriguez shout out while Clark was camped out under a fly ball at third base.
Though, maybe the list above is unfair. Catchers sometimes need a lot of time to hone their craft and be capable at a MLB level. Let us look at catcher debuts over the past 20 years for players in their age 28 seasons and above.
Year | Age | Tm | G | PA | ||||
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Chris Coste | 2006 | 33 | PHI | 65 | 213 | .328 | .376 | .505 |
Clemente Alvarez | 2000 | 32 | PHI | 2 | 5 | .200 | .200 | .200 |
Darron Cox | 1999 | 31 | MON | 15 | 27 | .240 | .296 | .400 |
Cody Clark | 2013 | 31 | HOU | 16 | 40 | .105 | .128 | .132 |
Frank Charles | 2000 | 31 | HOU | 4 | 7 | .429 | .429 | .571 |
Tom Wilson | 2001 | 30 | OAK | 9 | 24 | .190 | .250 | .476 |
Max St. Pierre | 2010 | 30 | DET | 6 | 9 | .222 | .222 | .333 |
Erik Kratz | 2010 | 30 | PIT | 9 | 36 | .118 | .167 | .118 |
Ken Huckaby | 2001 | 30 | ARI | 1 | 1 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
Chris Heintz | 2005 | 30 | MIN | 8 | 26 | .200 | .231 | .320 |
Brandon Harper | 2006 | 30 | WSN | 18 | 47 | .293 | .362 | .512 |
J.C. Boscan | 2010 | 30 | ATL | 1 | 1 | 1.000 | ||
B.J. Waszgis | 2000 | 29 | TEX | 24 | 51 | .222 | .294 | .244 |
Mark Strittmatter | 1998 | 29 | COL | 4 | 4 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
Mandy Romero | 1997 | 29 | SDP | 21 | 50 | .208 | .240 | .333 |
Guillermo Rodriguez | 2007 | 29 | SFG | 39 | 98 | .253 | .327 | .356 |
Chris Robinson | 2013 | 29 | SDP | 8 | 12 | .167 | .167 | .417 |
Blake Lalli | 2012 | 29 | CHC | 6 | 16 | .133 | .188 | .133 |
Tuffy Gosewisch | 2013 | 29 | ARI | 14 | 47 | .178 | .174 | .222 |
Joe Depastino | 2003 | 29 | NYM | 2 | 2 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
Jamie Burke | 2001 | 29 | ANA | 9 | 5 | .200 | .200 | .200 |
Jorge Brito | 1995 | 29 | COL | 18 | 55 | .216 | .259 | .275 |
Dusty Wathan | 2002 | 28 | KCR | 3 | 6 | .600 | .667 | .800 |
Matt Tupman | 2008 | 28 | KCR | 1 | 1 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 1.000 |
Matt Treanor | 2004 | 28 | FLA | 29 | 61 | .236 | .311 | .273 |
Kevin Richardson | 2009 | 28 | TEX | 4 | 6 | .500 | .500 | .500 |
Hector Ortiz | 1998 | 28 | KCR | 4 | 4 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
Miguel Ojeda | 2003 | 28 | SDP | 61 | 163 | .234 | .331 | .362 |
Cody McKay | 2002 | 28 | OAK | 2 | 4 | .667 | .500 | .667 |
Steve Holm | 2008 | 28 | SFG | 49 | 98 | .262 | .357 | .405 |
Brian Esposito | 2007 | 28 | STL | 1 | 0 |
Thirty-one players make the list. Of those players, Matt Treanor (468 games), Chris Coste (299 games), Tom Wilson (214 games), Miguel Ojeda (212 games), Jamie Burke (191 games), Ken Huckaby (161 games), and Erik Kratz (138 games) saw significant time in the Majors. That is about one fifth of the names listed and those seven all had better defensive assessments than Joseph.
In other words, all hope is not lost. Based on historical evidence, we should not expect Joseph to be a starting caliber catcher, but he does stand a 20% chance or so for being a guy who might see one or two seasons as a backup for someone else. Or maybe, just maybe, he changes the script.
Doesn't Joseph hit better against lefties? I was guessing maybe they platoon Clevenger against righties and Joseph against lefties.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to Joseph making his debut this late, I think you're leaving out an important example: Melvin Mora. While he didn't debut here, he played half of his first full year here at the age of 28, and went on to have an extremely successful career. I wouldn't say Joseph is on the same path, but leaving out possibly one of the best players to ever start that late who also played for the Orioles seems like an oversight.
ReplyDeleteI would say the first list is interesting as one related to the Orioles. However, the latter is more applicable to Joseph's situation. Mora's unique career path does not seem related.
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